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Reporting Kurtis Ming

Creaking… that sure doesn’t help when you’re trying to rock a baby to sleep. La-Z-Boy, where they bought the chairs, tried to fix them twice but the noises won’t go away.

“When he’s just about to sleep and you go to get up, and it makes a popping noise like that,” says Jeff Carda, Elk Grove resident.

That noise has been keeping newborn Austin awake.

“It wakes him up, and you got to start all over,” says Jeff.

Jeff and Amber say the creaking started within three months of buying the two recliners from La-Z-Boy in Elk Grove. They called La-Z-Boy. After all, they paid $99 for a five year warranty. The store took the chairs back, one at a time, to be fixed so Jeff and Amber wouldn’t be without a chair.

“It’s quieter when they bring it back but then within a month or a couple of weeks, it starts making noise again,” says Jeff.

So La-Z-Boy serviced both chairs again but yet again the noises came back. Fed up, the Carda’s wanted new chairs or their money back but the store said “no,” although the manager offered to once again service them.

“It’s like deaf ears.  It doesn’t go anywhere… goes out to a black hole,” says Ted Bradley, another La-Z-Boy customer.

The Carda’s saw our story in November on Ted and Linda Bradley of Elk Grove who also complained about La-Z-Boy’s customer service surrounding discoloration and marks on their leather sofas.  The company resolved the problem once we got involved.

“To me, they’re showing that customer care doesn’t really matter to them.  And after seeing the first complaint on the news and ours, it makes me wonder,” says Amber Carda.

We reached out to La-Z-Boy owner Liz Reego, who told us squeaks are not covered by that warranty, but they wanted to fix the problem, even offering Jeff and Amber loaner chairs during the process.

After a series of emails with us, the company agreed to let the Carda’s “select brand new chairs to replace the current ones…”

Amber and Jeff went to the showroom, but only liked leather chairs that cost hundreds more. Unwilling to pay the difference, La-Z-Boy agreed to a full refund of $1582.88.

In a statement the company owners feel they’ve “… truly gone above and beyond to satisfy these customers… ” And they “now have two chairs that cannot be resold…” according to La-Z-Boy spokesperson Traci Rockefeller Cusack.

Amber and Jeff are glad to put this problem and hopefully baby Austin to bed. The store is talking about donating those chairs.

Amber and Jeff used that refund money to buy new recliners from another store.


La-Z-Boy Statement

As the owner of the La-Z-Boy Furniture Galleries, I would like to respond to the Cardas situation. Of note, we have sold more than 250,000 satisfied La-Z-Boy customers in my family’s 26 years of business in Sacramento. We employ 120 hard-working men and women in our six area stores.

The Cardas noted a squeak in their fabric La-Z-Boy rocker recliner. Although squeaks are not covered by the La-Z-Boy lifetime parts warranty, we quickly picked up each chair, one at a time, and worked to find and repair the squeak. Upon return of the recliners, the customers were satisfied. However, a few months later, the customers indicated the squeak has returned. Again, this is not covered by the La-Z-Boy warranty or our extended care program, but in the interest of customer service, being that these recliners at that time, were discontinued and not available to reselect, we offered to ship the recliners, at our personal cost, to the factory, one at a time, for rebuilding.

The Cardas would not accept this resolution and contacted Call Kurtis. I personally contacted the customers immediately and explained the warranty situation. However, we work tirelessly to ensure our customers are pleased, so I offered them a full credit on their original purchase price toward any new recliners. I also arranged for them to have a private reselect appointment with our General Operations Manager at our Elk Grove showroom.

During this visit, the Cardas shopped our showroom of more than 120 recliners, and decided they wanted upgraded leather recliners (instead of fabric recliners similar to the ones they currently have). These particular leather recliners were on sale, but still $400 more per chair (or $800 total). When the General Operations Manager explained that we would be happy to apply their $1582.87 credit toward these leather recliners, and that they would just need to pay the difference, the Cardas insisted we also cover the additional $800 as they were not willing to pay the difference. What was surprising is that these recliners are available in a fabric very similar to their original recliners, at a price that would fit in their credit without any additional cost. The customers refused to consider the fabric recliners saying that I promised them they could pick out any recliners in the store. As we have recliners ranging from $298 to $1498, I would never make such an offer; I was quite clear that we were offering them a full credit TOWARD new recliners. As we have more than 60 recliners that would fit within their credit, our manager was stunned at their unreasonableness when we had been so accommodating.

At this point, I was very discouraged with how the customers were dealing with us and told our General Operations Manager to pick up their recliners and give them a refund of $1,582.87. We also allowed the customers to choose their pick up date (about a week later).

My staff went above and beyond trying to take care of the Cardas customers. However, we felt that their request to have us upgrade them to leather (at our expense of $800 over their credit) was unreasonable. In the end, we not only provided a full refund — after nearly a year of use — but now have two chairs that cannot be re-sold but which can hopefully be donated to charity.

Just a couple of weeks ago, we learned from La-Z-Boy that that the exact style and fabric of their original chairs were again available for a limited time and we even offered them a complete reselect of their exact recliners and fabric. They have not responded. I believe we handled this situation professionally and fairly and, in the end, it’s too bad that the customer chose not to be reasonable with us and won’t have the comfort of a La-Z-Boy recliner.

Sincerely,
Elizabeth Gordon Reego
Owner

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  • Kev Fong

    Should have gone to RC Willey in Roseville

  • lborcz

    It’s ridiculous for them to expect to upgrade to the leather chairs at no extra cost! It sounds like they just changed their minds and wanted leather chairs, but didn’t want to pay for them.

  • Rich Wallace

    This is another story of how this company deals with customer complaints. They do not reply and when they finally get pressed they take no responsibility for the problem. I know from experience as it took me two years to resolve an issue, never receiving a call from anybody above the clerical level at customer service. I left messages to speak to the head of customer service but never got a call. The only response I received was from the Elk Grove store manager who I understand was removed. They fail to stand behind their product and that is a serious problem. I don’t know what they do with furniture that is returned but I do know that the furniture I returned could not be safely used by anyone. Continue the great work resolving these issues as I know it will always exist.

  • Jeff Carda

    First of all, the difference in price with the leather chairs would have been about $300 according to their sales person, not $800. Which a company of their statute should be able to write off for returning customers, not to mention all the time off of work I had to use for delivery and pick-up to fix the chairs multiple times. In addition, they never offered any fabric options that were even close to our original fabric because it was discontinued along with that style of chair (wonder why?).

    “Just a couple of weeks ago, we learned from La-Z-Boy that that the exact style and fabric of their original chairs were again available for a limited time and we even offered them a complete reselect of their exact recliners and fabric. They have not responded.” Regarding this statement, I guess once again their management staff forgot how to pick up a phone and dial our number, because this is the first time I have heard of this offer.

    We went to RC Willey and found two new leather chairs that are more comfortable and that do not make any noises; which were cheaper then our original chairs.

    I believe if Call Kurtis didn’t get involved and finally got a management to return a phone call that I would still be dealing with this issue. Thank you so much to all of the Call Kurtis Team!

    If you choose to buy furniture from Lay-Z-Boy then GOOD LUCK because you have been warned of the customer services you will receive.

  • BBrown

    If I were to be offered a new recliner, I would not expect to be able to pick out something that is hundreds more than what I originally purchased.  I agree with lborcz, it sounds like these people wanted something different than what they had so they made a stink about what looks like a small issue.  My salesperson has told me that the Sacramento LaZBoys are locally owned and operated so it concerns me when people misuse the media in a way to take advantage of businesses that are providing jobs and revenue to our community.  When I bought my furniture a few years back, LaZBoy picked up my old furniture for free and donated it to shelters in our area.  It’s a shame that we don’t get to see the positives.
                                                                     
    As a long time LaZBoy owner, I have experienced the customer service from LaZBoy when my recliner’s mechanism was not working.  It was nice to have a local service shop and technicians who were available to come out to my home within a few days of my initial call.  When some parts needed to be ordered, I was told that it would take a few weeks for the parts to be sent to the local repair facility, but I didn’t mind waiting.  They offered me a loaner, something I didn’t need as I had other chairs in my home to sit in.  A couple of weeks went by and I was curious about when the parts might be arriving, so I called LaZBoy and the girl who answered the phone was able to tell me when they were going to receive the parts while I was on the phone.  She was very nice and thanked me for waiting.  Once the parts arrived for my recliner I was called to schedule a pick up of my recliner and it was fixed within a few days.  I won’t shop anywhere else for furniture!

  • Elizabeth Gordon Reego

    Dear Jeff,
    I am very sorry that we were unable to come to a suitable solution in your reselection, however, I must set the record straight. After your visit to the store, I pointed out to you that there were fabric chairs in the EXACT style available in a very similar microfiber to your original chairs since leather was more expensive. You wanted us to pay for the leather chairs, which were clearly marked at $400 more each and this is confirmed by our salesperson. Regarding your comment about the most recent email, I can confirm that an email regarding the availability of your original chairs was sent to you on 12/21 at 10:00a. In fact, we copied both Adeline Yee and Kevin Walshm general manager, at KOVR-13 as well so I don’t know how you did not receive it but I am having it forwarded to you again so you can see it was sent. I did not call you personally because in our last phone conversation when I told you that you could have a full credit on chairs toward new ones, you took to mean you could choose any two chairs in our store and so I wanted our communication to be in writing to avoid further miscommunication. I also know that you have a baby and did not want to wake your child with a phone call.
    Also, I take issue with Kurtis Ming who said, “La-Z-Boy felt the customer was unreasonable.” which is untrue. What we said was that we felt, based on the fact the customers wanted us to upgrade them into leather chairs for $800 leather recliners, that they were being unreasonable and we provided them with a prompt refund.”

    I hope you enjoy your new recliners and I wish you both the very best.

    Because customer care is the most important function of our business, if anyone has any issues with our customer care, please feel free to contact me directly at lreego@lazboyhome.com. We are very committed to customer service and have satisfied more than 250,000 customers with over a 98% satisfaction record, the highest in the industry. However, we are not perfect and we are here to help. Sadly, satisfied customers rarely post. Thank you.

  • Amber Carda

    It is easy to judge when you are not directly involved, and understandable based on the information presented. There are always two sides to the story. My husband and I visited the La Z boy the weekend prior to our reselect. At the time, there was a leather sale going on and we liked a chair that was on sale. The night of our reselect, the general manager was unwilling to acknowledge our request to honor the sale the prior weekend. After being interrupted several times, and not acknowledging any our our questions I requested one of two choices: (1) two new identical chairs (same fabric, same color) or (2) full refund to go elsewhere. This was not a money issue, rather the limit to my frustration of having to jump through yet another hurdle. We are very thankful to the Channel 13 news making this resolution possible. It was not our wish to get media involved; however, seeing the prompt response and resolution has me convinced that it might not have otherwise been resolved. We are very satisfied with the resolution. We have since purchased two new leather chairs, and a complete bedroom set from another store; a store we had repeatedly purchased from, but chose otherwise.

  • Amber Carda

    We did!

  • Elizabeth Reego

    Thank you BBrown for your kind comments. We really do try our very best to take care of our customers. I so appreciate your taking the time to support us.

  • Elizabeth Reego

    Amber,
    I have to interject here as you are stating incorrect facts. We absolutely were willing to honor the sale price on the leather chairs and you and Call Kurtis’ staff have my email stating that fact. The 10% off Leather Event was still going on when you visited the second time, and we were happy to sell them to you at the sale price, give you full credit on the swivel bases you said you didn’t want, and get the price closer to your original sale which is what I outlined quite specifically in this email. Here is a direct quote from my email to you on December 7.

    “The leather Reese recliner is clearly marked with a 5” x 3” price tag in our stores at $1098. Since you knew your chairs were $597, you can easily compute there was a $500 difference per recliner. However, when Bodeen quoted you that it would cost about $400 more per recliner, he was already factoring the “10% off leather sale scratch off” bringing the recliners down to $991 each, or just under $400 more than the $597 you original spent per chair. However, at that time, you continued to insist to Bodeen that I promised you could have any recliners in the store at any price, which is unfounded and untrue. Since you were not interested in spending any more money, Bodeen rightfully tried to redirect you to recliners closer to your original purchase price.”

    Bodeen also showed you the exact same recliner in fabric which was in your price range. However, you still refused that offer saying that I told you that you could pick out any recliners in the store. Then, a few weeks later, I also sent you an email on December 21 offering brand new, exact recliners which I had worked very hard to find by contacting several factories. Your husband says he didn’t get this email which we have resent to you to show that we did send it.

    As for needing Call Kurtis to resolve, we were in the process of offering to return the chairs to the factory for remaking, at our expense, and you declined that as well. So it was not as if we were not offering you some options. I took the time to get personally involved, offer you a full credit and I am sorry that you wanted something more. Judging from the fact your husband’s blog indicates that he felt we “owed” you the additional monies for your inconvenience and that you eventually purchased leather chairs, it tells me that this is what you really wanted.

    I am happy that you found some recliners you like so you can enjoy rocking your child each night. I wish you both well.

  • Sam

    I find it interesting that they would want either the exact same recliner, but they would be ok with a leather substitute…or a refund. Looks like once they realized the store didn’t have he exact same recliner, they used it against the store. I also agree with the statement above Amber’s…looks like they wanted to upgrade to leather chairs at no extra cost. Seems like the store was trying to take care of their problem (even if it sounded like the mic was directly under the rocker to make the story seem worse). It’s pathetic to see people taking advantage of a situation that was being already handled.

  • Jeff Carda

    Liz,
    The bottom line here is that your stores have many management issues which extends from the top down, this is why you fired one of your managers at your Elk Grove location. If your company would have responded to our phone calls, or fixed our chairs which were brand new (which shows the quality of Lay-Z-Boy has gone done) the first time or wait, even the second time each chair went into the shop for a week at a time. Then we would never have been in this situation. In this economy, if you can not back up your product, then get out of business.

  • Amber Carda

    ftftft

  • Amber Carda

    I am trying to reply and it is not posting my comments

  • Amber Carda

    Liz,
    Again, I feel I have to respond again, as there seems to be continued discrepancies.
    With all due respect you were not involved in the many phone calls to your service center; in fact you stated you were not even aware of any of our complaints until we contacted Channel 13. Additionally, you were not present the night of our reselect. As we explained to Bodeen that evening, we were trying to match the colors of our living room furniture and décor, which we designed around the green recliners (which in not a common green). Bodeen explained that there was not another color close to ours and the color we had was discontinued. We chose beige leather, which would have matched. We did not choose this color in fabric because with kids, we felt the light colored fabric would become easily dirty and would require frequent shampooing; rather than wiping off leather. In a phone conversation with you, you offered to custom order colors, but also followed it with the suggestion that I would be happier with something found in the store so I could feel the fabric, and confirm the color. When it came down to purchasing, it was not communicated that the sale would be honored; in fact, the opposite was said. We were not simply requesting that you give us leather chairs because of our hassle. We were with the understanding that the chairs were a difference of $400 total without the sale. We felt angered that Bodeen would not honor the sale, so that’s when we brought up our inconvenience. I feel if Bodeen took the time to listen, rather than repeating “we can find comparable chairs”, we may have cleared up some of this miscommunication. It was very obvious that Bodeen was annoyed by us, and maybe this was because he was also involved in the prior customer complaint to Channel 13. In honoring a full refund, I believe this was his motivation to have us leave and to avoid continuing to do business with us. Furthermore, Liz your email regarding the honored sale price was AFTER our reselect.

    With regards to the involvement of Channel 13. Liz, you did not get personally involved until the news station contacted your PR. It was then that you tried to resolve this issue; after months of failed attempts with your staff. After we had already contact Channel 13, Dave, from the Elk Grove store contacted us offering our recliners to be rebuilt in a factory. As I explained to you on the phone, when I asked how long our furniture would once again be removed from our home (for the third time), the response was “I don’t know, how ever long it takes.” Yes, you did tell me this was incorrect information, but you were not the one providing the information. It should not take a customer to get in contact with a store owner to obtain resolutions. It appears you had already recognized errors in your company practices, as you confirmed that you had already made internal changes after the previous Channel 13 news complaint.

    We had not received an e-mail from either you or Bodeen on December 21st offering new recliners. Bodeen forwarded me the reported original e-mail, which I can see was written, but does not reflect who it was sent to (which is usually in the “To:” section). None the less, we did not receive it and had already received our new furniture from the other store.

    Again, we are very glad to have this resolved and want to move on. We do not believe in taking advantage of others and that was never our goal when contacting Channel 13; we simply wanted the quality product as promised. It is clear that there are other problems within the customer care of the La Z Boy Company, as a previous customer also went to the media to get results. This may have been, as you said, a “rare occurrence”, but we will not recommend your product; others may, based on more positive experiences. I imagine both you and I have learned a great deal from this experience.

  • Doug McVey

    This is not the first time the La-Z-Boy store in Elk Grove has been subject to a Call Kurtis consumer issue, with the same type of response from Liz Reego. I think instead of trying to cover your butt after the fact, maybe La-Z-Boy in Elk Grove should take a more proactive approach. Not buying it as multiple customers receiving the same type of response is unacceptable. Thanks Call Kurtis for opening my eyes to this business. Thankfully, there are other options in Elk Grove.

  • Amber Carda

    Thank you Doug. It’s nice to have some support, rather than accusations that we were trying to pull a scam on a company that has had multiple complaints. There will be others who are in full support of the La Z Boy product and they have that right, but you never see a company advertising with negative testimonies, or else consumers would not buy the product.

  • Sam

    From what I read, sounds like the general manager was trying to help, but these people were only interested in brand new leather chairs in exchange for their (dirty and used) light fabric ones. The general manager was faced with a no win situation. Ha! Amber even admits that she didn’t want light colored fabric, but looks like that’s what they had before!! I’ve shopped in the Laguna store before and I know they have an area with tons of fabrics in it. The sales lady made sure I knew they were having a sale and what the price was for each item I looked at. I doubt they would make these people pay the non sale price. Since these people are blaming everyone else and taking no ownership whatsoever…looks like someone’s trying to back pedal here!!! Look at how many people agree that these people are trying to make the store look bad on purpose. As a teacher, I encourage my students to be honest and look at all the facts. Go to La-Z-Boy and see what their store and service is like for yourself.

  • JLeader

    Sam — Amber stated that they originally chose green recliners which ended up being the noisy ones. When they went back for replacements, the green color was discontinued and they did not want the available light beige color… am I wrong here?!?

  • Amber Carda

    JLeader–Yes, you are correct. Thank you for noticing that in my explantion The chairs we had were not light colored and they were also a fabric(not only the color) that was discontinued–we liked the fabric. There were no other colors close to our previous ones.

  • brianA

    What happened to the chairs after the fact?

  • noname

    I was just in there not long ago to cancel my order and I saw the chairs sitting there for sale!

  • Sam

    how can u sell the same chairs after a defect has been reported? is that legal?

  • Martha Monez

    Amber, we support you on this one as well as call curtis. We look forward to his weekly segments. I missed this one but later found it online. Thank you Amber and Curtis for exposing this and bringing it to the light.

  • So not down for this

    Great job Call Kurtis. Did you ever take in to consideration that the people that own this La Z Boy here locally are an independent family committed to local economy. That they are employing our neighbors and friends? That they have supported numerous charitable organizations both locally and nationally? No. We have gone from a disgruntled customer who was reimbursed to character assassination by former and current employees. As a entity supposedly committed to consumer issues I feel you have stayed so far from the path you have lost all creditability for me.

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