Many neighborhoods iin Sacramento hire off-duty armed Sheriff’s officers to patrol their homes.

Sierra Oaks, Arden Oaks, Willhaggen, Etc. all hire off-duty SSD deputies.

What do they (the officials) expect when Police departments are cut to the bone. The lack of response time means you had better protect yourself, because by the time the police get there (if they do) you will be another statistic for the newspaper to lament over. Anyone who breaks into my house will be met with a Glock 40.

We don’t need more police…we need less criminals!
Drug dealers, junkies and gang members should be rounded up and exterminated.

That’s $12,500 a month for a patrol. Have 3 shifts. so $4,166 a shift. assuming 8 hours per shift and a 30 day month, thats 240 hours. That is about 17.36 an hour.

Think about this. That would mean a single off-duty law enforcement officer or an employee from a security firm (getting a bit less due to overhead).

A security firm type patrol’s primary responsibility is to “observe and report”. There secondary responsibility is to stay alive. Their weapons are only for defense and their liability regarding use of those weapons is far greater than a law enforcement officer.

I’d rather see an off-duty officer performing this type of work in this area. If the security firm guard makes any mistake, the lawsuits will fly.

AFTER my dogs get em I will spread their remains on my lawn like cheap fertilizer……..

IF they harm my dogs then I’ll just HAVE to shoot them, drag them in my house and put my favorite buthcher knife in their hands…..

JUSTICE is paniful at my house…….

The more the media focuses on the negative aspects of law-enforcement budget cuts, the more the criminals are educated as to which areas are most vulnerable…if you think they don’t wach the news, think again, they are watching it on the TV’s they recently stole from the last area the media alerted them to…… !!!!! GOOD LORD !!! doesn’t the media get it ?? anything for headlines and ratings I guess……

Here is a better idea, lets all of us take back our streets from these low life punks and wanna be gangsters. lets start too shoot first even if they look like a gangster ask questions later. thats the only thing they understand fight fire with fire….. G/A/S = Gang Assination Squad…. any one care to join

You are the reason people from Georgetown get a bad rap. I’m gonna slap you like a punk next time I see you at MarVal…

Larry will bring his dogs…

That’s what you get when 3rd world people invade your streets!!! Ever notice how some of these areas are starting to look just like the hardened streets of Mexico? Get used to it! Every time the Libs. start slipping in the polls,the flood gate of ilegal mexicans start opening!! If the voters do not like Liberal policies,don’t change the policy,change the voter!!

do you think hiring these people will prevent more crime? best to buy a gun and take care of your own problems

I have a big gun myself!

Assuming you’re home when they break in tough guy. Guys like you kill me. Mr. Bada$$ hiding behind a computer screen. You would be running out the door screaming for your neighbor to call the cops the second you heard your dog f@rt. What a loser hahahahah

Good for them. Cops who show up too late, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our right:
They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.
They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
Impeach Obama and sweep out the Congress, except Ron Paul.
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defund Klanned Parenthood and hire more Police. The USA give klanned parenthood over $360 MILLION dollars a year. They are a BILLION dollar business, yet taxpayers are funding over a third of their business. DEFUND them and hire more Police!

WE CAN DO IT OUR SELF. KILL’EM.

A MAN AFER MY OWN HEART. GO GET’EM.

ME -ME -ME AND MY DOG. CAVE CANE DOMINUS ET.

If the drug dealers are in the neighborhood, there are drugs being bought and used. Drug use breeds violence plain and simple. Why do people rob, break into homes & steal cars etc? 9 times out of 10 it is for drug money. What drives gang activity, usually the sale of drugs, prostitution or illegal gambling. It is the same reason the drug cartels are running Mexico. If you or your kids use you are the reason there is crime. Yes there are economic reasons people can site as the reason for crime, and that does factor into it. But lets look back to when these neighborhoods were nice, they all were once. What was the common denominator to the fall of the neighborhood. Don’t say no jobs, responsible people pick up and move to where the jobs are. I did, with very little money in my pocket.

CAVE CANE DOMINUS ET.

For a former native Californian, living in Nevada, this story is surreal and the comments even more bizarre. Crime is rampant in Calfornia because of the gun laws and how difficult it is to get a CCW. Criminals have nothing to fear from a largely unarmed population. So hire armed guards? Come on, grow a pair and learn to stand up for yourselves. You can still have guns at your house, and you can still defend yourselves at your homes. You folks in the ‘hood need to grow your own homewatch and quit taking the easy way out.

INSANE!!! Ever heard of the 2nd Amendment? ARM yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wentz, I hope if you slap him I hope he shoots you! People like you with your collectivist, socialist, gun controlling BS have ruined California and directly caused the problems seen in places like Modesto.

Either hire someone or form your own armed neighborhood watch.

cheers to modesto enforceing action and not whasteing time talking bull and pushing papers around..cheers to the armed guards kick their but….

That’s so un-American. You would do great to live in a Communist country. Safety is no substitute for liberty.

What a violent fantasy. Keep stroking.

Bring back neighborhood covenants which forbid criminal elements from even renting or buying in your neighborhood. It worled for 200 years in every city in America until 1964 Civil Rights Act.

WE THE PEOPLE PAY A HELL OF A LOT IN TAXES AND THE THIEVING COPS AND FIREMEN PAY THEMSELVES THREE TIMES WHAT THEIR WORTH ABUSE O.T. AND PENSIONS ARE TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROLL. IF WE THE PEOPLE STOOD UP TO THERE UNIONS WE THE PEOPLE WOULD NOT NEED TO HERE SECURITY GUARDS. GO WESCONSIN GO BABY

This is the real issue and no one wants to discuss it.. because they are cowards

The common element in all neighborhoods gone bad is a preponderance of black males. 50% of black males have felony records. If you have 4 black males on your street, you have 2 felons on your street. Its your property, buy and sell to who you want to.Take it to Supreme Court & win. America’s eptiaph will read…”died 1964 Civil Rights Act”

Hey, it works in Palos Verdes. Hardly any crime there.

Damn straight! The criminals have way to many rights.

When (not if) we descend into Martial Law, millions of fed-up American citizens will do just that. Tens of thousands of drug dealers, pimps, pedophiles and other career criminals who the system failed to lock up properly will simply disappear. They won’t be missed.

Wentz, yep you go live with the gangstas, see how long you last

Preach it ! Amen! Same here, and we don’t shoot to warn or wound.

Did I hear that California was recently releasing criminals? Yeah and they wonder why the people need to arm themselves. This all can be traced to the communist reinvestment act.

You’re right. If they tell it like it is they might be called raaaaacist!!
And they’d rather be accused of molesting their own children than be labeled with the dreaded “R” word!

You’re kidding right? If a home invasion occurs and the resident is armed then they at least stand a chance. Cops aren’t hiding in the bushes, otherwise murders wouldn’t occur. It sounds like you are trying to be a tough guy by saying you wouldn’t need a firearm. If a person admits to wanting a firearm for protection they are saying they would not be able to defend themselves otherwise. More power to them for wanting to defend themselves.

Would love to join and put decals on my car to show how many thugs I’ve taken out. I would love to say those decals would just eventually cover the whole car and I would have to buy a second car just to keep up.

@ Bill S: There are many former native Californians living in Idaho who would agree with you wholeheartedly.

If you have a loved one who has made the mistake of letting a thug into her life, take the lowlife out by any means necessary (planted evidence usually works and their criminal record does the rest). But I stress any means necessary. It is not a legal issue, but a moral one in light of a failed system with its Hug-a-Thug policies.

That shows the dedication of LEOs. They don’t need the extra cash. Many get overtime already, and take “Protect and Serve” seriously. Fire about half of the redundant government paper-shufflers (especially the social service clowns who enable the criminal class) and fund more cops and soldiers.

Echo Park a neighborhood has hired an armed patrol co. to patrol its neighborhood for about twenty years. Crime dropped dramatically after it did.

Sorry – I forgot to mention – I live in Arizona. We also can carry concealed w/o a permit. Yes – it’s good to be here!

Try me on for size, Warpuppy. You will go out the door…backwards.

That only makes the problem worse. The rich elites live in their armed enclaves, send their kids to private schools and live well. They support and pass laws that prevent everyone else from protecting themselves and turn the criminals loose. The answer is not more police or soldiers, it’s personal responsiblity on the part of the citizens along with the ability to defend themselves—which they really don’t have at the moment.

“Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.”
- Plato

http://911essentials.com

Do it! You wont get POLICE in there, but at least the crime rate will go down and PROPERTY VALUES will go up! You pay more for INTERNET access or CABLE TV than your own safety, right?

Umm, yeah sure.

That’s what we need.. more war. Try some personal responsibility.

I’m sorry, I don’t mean to sound,,,,,,,stupid, but isn’t that the most basic and important service you should receive for your property tax dollars????
Californians are just lost,pay the homeless, house, feed, educate, and supply medical care for illegal aliens, and then hire “private security companies to make your streets safe. Morons, just friggin morons.

Big Bear is right. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Anyone you don’t know is a probable criminal, possibly even a child molester. Arm everyone. Metal detect everywhere. Make it like a war zone in order to ensure our safety. We can’t be too safe, you know.

As a matter of fact, why don’t we get a unionized gangster force., and they can have running battles and car chases with the unionized commando squads in our neighborhoods and school districts all day and night!!

That would be heaven on earth for you arm chair rambos…Think of the hours, and hours of pure, TV viewing enjoyment, while you stuff Ho Hos and twinkies down your throat.

Why not allow the citizens to arm themselves?

If the stupid liberals who run that miserable state allowed citizens to possess (HORRORS!) guns, they wouldn’t ‘need’ armed security people, and the guys they’re afraid of wouldn’t be menacing them.

Liberals” the bane of the country.

MORONS ALL!

BOY that is a FACT!!!

I definatly AGREE….CA has Messed Up Thinking!!!!!!

This could be done by distributing concealed carry permits to every voter who has no criminal record. That would save a lot of money.

It worked in El Salvador, where many tatoo covered gang members were deported from the US. The local merchants got so sick of them looking for scams, robbing, violence and everything else they do, they hired off duty pigs (who are corrupt anyway) to take care of the problem. After awhile one of the growingest businesses there was tatoo removal. They were scared for their lives. The trouble is, with those ass%oles running around looking to “protect and serve”, things get just as bad the other way. Teenagers smoking a little pot will get cought up in their “contractor” mentality. Is that the kind of place we want to live? I say just arm yourselves and make sure you kill the right person.

Exactly. Nobody in their right mind wants to live in a police state.

you two have my vote …. how can we take back our state

Gee, I wonder if the crime rate has anything to do with illegal aliens?

that works for me J

I was on a project down in Arequipa Peru last fall and I stayed in a house in a high block walled fenced and gated barrio ( neighborhood) and it had two armed guards 24 hrs a day… This is what its coming to in USA with failed parenting and a for profit prison system replacing schools… Its choices folks…

What is the race of people causing the crime?

Your still around . . . one day they are going to make a movie about you.

You must not live in California and know the people. The state may be run primarily by liberals, but that doesn’t mean all people in all areas of California are liberal. In the agriculturally based central valley, where this article takes place, people tend to be conservative and elect republican officials, who do not believe in housing the homeless and illegals. The liberals tend to be in the larger metropolitan areas, such as the bay area and southern California. The people in this neighborhood are not morons, they are simply trying to protect themselves from escalated crime due to joblessness and budget cuts- but that doesn’t mean they voted for or supported the liberal laws that you are obviously against.

Our government, both at the Federal and at State level, have failed the poeple. The people who are in there running our government, are so self interest modivated, and influenced by special interest group, that have lost track of what is fair and protected interests for the majority of the people under which they serve. Just look at what they have put in to the law to provide for themselves and you get the message. They are so protected now, that we can’t do much about it. They live under a different set of rules from the rest of us. Now this country and this State is so mess up, I don’t know how they are going to get it right. The biggest problem is the general public have been fooled into beliieving that they really care, as they keep voting them back into office. This is a really sad situation here.

So your saying a state run by gangs is better ?
I think not dudes …. or are your kids smoking to much pot ?
when i was a kid 3 of us standing in front of a store hanging out was called
loitering and the cops would come to disperse us …… now they are call day workers ……….. we need to go back in time some.
BTW I’m 55.

The facts are that tax money has now become scarce, the goose has got pneumonia and the government has totally mismanaged the responsibility you gave them. The police and other city entities should be voting out the unions and forming associations to negotiate for new contracts and the means to keep government service alive and doing what the tax paid services can “afford” to do.

Listen up, you who thought that government unions were there to make you rich were wrong, you made union mangement rich and a lot of wrong politicians got elected because of you. You were paid more than the private sectors and had better benefits you put civil service in the hole by going union…….

With regard to armed security guards, it reminds me of the 2 cities next to each other. One proclaimed it was a gun free city, and one proclaimed that they city was protected by Smith and Wesson.

Guess where the criminals went.

I find it odd, ‘NO BS’ that you only see two possibilites…a police state or a gang state. How about a state where citizens can easily obtain CCW’s or open carry and defend themselves legally; how about a state with a small, dedicated group of LEO’s that can count on armed citizens to back them up if needed; and a state where criminals are either shot, imprisoned for long periods and/or executed for murder. This is what Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona, Vermont, Alaska (to name just a few) have.

Yes, California is turning into a third world @#$%hole, complete with the elites, the gated/armed communities and the defenseless peons.

This is a Realistic Solution to the Current Crime wave
that has affected all of the USA. Misuse of the working
class citizens tax money by corrupt,incompetent politicians
on every level from the small town councils,mayors,commitee members
to the national level of congress,senate and worst of all,the president.
The Armed Guards Company will be paid under a Real Contract
and they will the job,that are government has miserably failed in.

“Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.”
- Plato

http://911essentials.com

Funny how all my comments are removed … very telling.

Welcome to OmeriKa.

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Modesto is in the Central Valley — a very republican, conservative part of Cali. Lots of folks there have guns — for protection, hunting and sport. Lots of folks in the more liberal area of Cali have guns too. But we don’t all want to live in the wild, wild, west where we’re forced to wear our six shooters in order to be safe.

You’re right. Most of these posters have no idea what they are talking about. I live in Central California, and we have seen three murders within 50 yards of our front door in the last four years. They were totally unrelated, and happened in the street.
We don’t live in a “ghetto” or slum, but had our house broken into in October and ransacked. A career criminal drove through our fence, and into our backyard. The cost for repair was below our insurance deductible, so it was out-of-pocket. Law enforcement has never done anything to help with either situation….even though they know the names of both individuals that robbed us and damaged our property. They claim that, due to budget cuts, they can only address the serious crimes. If you don’t live here, shut your mouths, you are totally clueless. I would gladly pay to have a safer, and more secure, neighborhood again.

“Fight Crime Shoot Back”

Right, instead you have to hire armed security guards who wear “six shooters” in order for you to be safe. That makes sense, right?

That is what happens when you elect liberals to the state house. They spend the money on junk for their cronies and let the law abiding homeowners and taxpayers to suffer. Get more illegals in the state so more money can be given them and forget about the AMERICANS.

No, police are just there to arrest you for having the wrong kind of plant on your person or having a glass of wine with dinner before driving home

Relax folks, this is much ado about nothing. You obviously haven’t been edumacated in, nor embraced HOPE & CHANGE. These are not criminals, they are Obamas new army of WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION SPECIALISTS. They will soon be unionized and then you brilliant Californicators will have the privilege of paying for their services and eventual retirements. California is the laughingstock of the country – never has a locale with so much in terms of resources & potential had it so entirely mismanaged and squandered by starry-eyed, liberal idiots.

Don’t do it. It will look racist and not be PC. Better to die than to look like you have brains.

I’d pay the $25. Small price to pay for feeling more secure. And those who are talking “police state” — have you been to Singapore? Now THAT is a police state.

If this community is so upset about th eris ein crime and potential loss of pro[erty and life, then they should fire the ploice chief and jire another whose agenda in cracking down on these types of crimes.

Dude, They have had armed guards in apt. communities in Sacramento for decades now, this is nothing new. It does not deter all crime, but some. Thats better then nothing, I dont know about where you live, but here in Sacramento…good luck getting the Police to respond within an hour or two if nobody has been shot or stabbed.

Oh shut up. You drudge zombies are as lame as the move-on morons who blamed Bush for everything that ever occured in his presidency. Do yourself a favor and use your brain to develop unique and thoughtful perspectives instead of following Glenn Beck and Limbaugh like a sad little sheep looking for a teet to suck on. And by the way, California may be the most beautiful and diverse state in this country. I suggest you visit sometime.

Relax folks, this is much ado about nothing. You obviously haven’t been edumacated in, nor embraced HOPE & CHANGE. These are not criminals, they are Obamas new army of federally funded WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION SPECIALISTS. They will soon be unionized and then you brilliant Californicators will have the privilege of paying for their services and retirement pensions. California is the laughingstock of the country – never has a locale with so much in terms of resources & potential had it so entirely mismanaged and squandered by starry-eyed, liberal idiots.

Actually, this is a truly creative and entertaining comment. I wish I could take credit for it.

You haven’t done your homework. The crime rate in the Wild Wild West was, on average, much much lower than what we have today. And in parts of this country where people routinely carry weapons, the crime rate is also much lower than in places like Commifornia. The only thing that the bad guys respect is the potential for them to be killed. Force has been the only answer to folks of that ilk since mankind first climbed down from the trees.

Precisely. Thank you.

Ohhhbummma is absolutely correct. And his humor is appreciated.

THEN: Californians elected and supported liberal politicians who squandered their tax dollars for years. The politicians entitled unions, welfare recipients, government drones, illegal aliens, those still mooching off mom and dad, and other worthless freeloaders, giving them taxpayer dollars. They said it could all be paid for by taxing the rich, taxing big business, taxing their children’s future, credit, and other fiscal nonsense. Californians were happy, they were getting a free lunch.

NEXT: Business is moving out, the rich are moving out, California has maxed out their credit, more freeloaders are moving in, taxes are going up, inflation is going up and the State is issuing IOUs. So what did the California politicians do? Boycott Arizona! What a bunch of incompetent morons.

So… Just how stupid are Californians?

THEY ELECTED JERRY BROWN!

the government ARE the people, too many ill invormed or ignorant voters elected these officials. the failure is in the electorate. the people get the government they deserve.

I didn’t know where you were going with this, but the punchline was a real winner. Not for CA, but for laffs.

One must come to the conclusion that the state of california after years of protecting and saving its people money by passing laws that never cost us any money may be flawed.

Almost every one of the “Californians” you talk about are people from other states who used my home state as their personal playgoround. If I could I would force out, at gunpoint if necessary, every non-native currently squatting in the Golden State.

Relax folks, this is much ado about nothing. You obviously haven’t been edumacated in, nor embraced HOPE & CHANGE. These are not criminals, they are Obamas new army of federally funded WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION SPECIALISTS. They will soon be unionized and then you brilliant Californicators will have the privilege of paying for their services and retirement pensions. California is the laughingstock of the country – never has a locale with so much in terms of resources & potential had it so entirely mismanaged and squandered by starry-eyed, liberal idiots.

Relax folks, this is much ado about nothing. You obviously haven’t been edumacated in, nor embraced HOPE & CHANGE. These are not criminals, they are Obamas new army of federally funded WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION SPECIALISTS. They will soon be unionized and then you brilliant Californicators will have the privilege of paying for their services and retirement pensions. California is the laughingstock of the country – never has a locale with so much in terms of resources & potential had it so entirely mismanaged and squandered by starry-eyed, liberal idiots.

“I don’t feel the need for it yet.”? Everyone ‘feels like’ they should buy a gun — after the rioting starts. See also Noah and the Ark.

“Neighbor”? Perhaps Mr Jones’s ‘neighbors’ should erect signs pointing to his house: “Unarmed, anti-violence, and pro-gun control!”

I have relatives living in California and we beg them every week to move out of the state but they cannot sell their home now, it is too late. What does one expect when you have an entire state infested with rampant street crime, black and Mexican youth gangs running wild, sky-high taxes, a Marxist and treasonous state goverment, a Mexican invasion, dopers, union thugs, deadbeats, 2nd Amendment haters, communists, traitors, Marxists, and on and on.
Remember California, the big one is coming and we will keep working on moving our relatives out of the State before it hits.

Bravo…that’s why I left Brokeafornia 6 years ago…I knew the storm was coming. Leave it to a bunch of left-wing liberals to give free benefits to everyone (including non-citizens), attempt to raise taxes to pay for their largess, and then scratch their heads (like the monkey-morons they are) when the taxpayers pack up and leave.

Liberals: Pro Death (funny though…they oppose the death penalty but support abortion), Pro Criminal (anti-gun, yet the liberal elite have armed guards), Pro Illegal Aliens, Pro Gay Marriage…need I say more? They are DUMB

You guys are hilarious. Even the ones who don’t live here think they know everything about CA.

Imagine if you were in NY where even more squatters come to play.

OMGosh! Whoda thunk? Jerry Brown! The biggest idiot politician since Carter and we re-elected him! Kalifornia doesn’t learn.

Please do not puport that all liberals are the same. Most people, Liberal and Conservative are not 100% Liberal or Conservative.

Bring it Tim…beside being severely outgunned, don’t forget you’ll have to defeat the U.S. military before you ever take over California. Unless you’re a 300 year old tree you’ve got no claim to nothin chump.

As the economy grows worse crime will grow more violent.. anyone who lives in a large city will need to remember you will be a target if you have stuff others want…
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Oh Tim, then you must be a Chumash indian, right? Well, probably not, you just came a few years before the rest of us squatters.

I am a Native Californian…most of us who are born and raised in our beautiful state, are NOT the ones who are ruining it. Truly, you cannot label people who merely reside here as “Californian’s.” Those of us who are born here, appreciate and protect our state…we have just inherited a lot of “stupid.”

By saying inherited you are implying your generation created the problem, rethink your wording a bit. 5th generation Texan and loving it. THIRD COAST

Uh, i lived there for 24 years and left. I know all I need to know about Ca.

I’m from California. But, you’re the one that’s hilarious. A third grader could figure out what the problems are with California. It’s easy. In fact, I just busted up laughing when Jerry ‘The Joke’ Brown got elected. But, I have a different attitude. I’m excited about watching everyone go down for the people you elected. Finally, everyone who is taking care of these parasites will move and leave. Then, it’ll just be the parasites. That’s when it’s really going to get fun. Because then they’re all trying to suck off each other. It’s going to be great!!! I can’t wait to watch them all suffer and starve! Hahaha…….

Native here and you got it right. I can’t believe these non producing Gov. empoylees think they are so entitled. They cared about none of the pravite sector jobs lost. Can’t wait until it catches up and they loose theirs.

fantum is correct. Can’t wait to watch the suffering when all the supporters are gone and only the parasites are left. It’s going to be………It’s going to be one of the greatest things that ever happened in human history. They voted for this and they supported this. And they’re going to live with this. California was once a great place, but it is now a suffering welfare state. I’m a Californian.
When the crime gets high enough, and enough lives are destroyed, they’ll finally wake up. But, I’m just enjoying it until then. It’s going to be great! I can’t wait to watch what happens. And the more liberals and parasites eaten by crime the better. You voted it. You wanted it. You got it!!

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One does not “puport.” One “purports.” Again…a dumb liberal.

Highest Taxes in all the states and we have to hire armed guards to protect our neighborhoods????? This is a testimonial to what a Democratic Legislature can do in 3 decades….Education System a disgrace! Unemployment through the roof…..Retirement Community and Vacation Resort for Illegal Ailiens World Class Five Star…tell your friends…..Soon to be opening new Disney Resort for Haitian immigrants. Thanks, Jerry Thanks Arnold…Profiles in Courage.

california, used to be a truly great place to live, and breathe…but now thanks to years of having politicians, union leaders, and the like play here, as well as act like we the ordinary joe’s are their indentured serfs, it is no longer business as usual for them. boo-hoo!! i, for one am almost ready to live any place than here. for as long as i can remember, the crud that lives in the sewer known as sacramento, have been at this party-like-it’s-never-gonna-end thing…same as it ever was. and to think that the best we could do in the last general election was to choose between jerry “moonbeam” brown, and “nut” meg whitman…that’s the best that we could do? really? seriously? someday in the near future, my family and i will look back toward the past, and say with a smile, and pride…”we used live in california”. don’t forget to turn off the lights when you leave, i won’t be here to do it for you.

Reminds me a bit of when I was in college and studying Police Science. I recall Mr. Wes Brown saying that vigilantism was one of the later signs of societal breakdown. These armed guards are merely vigilantes for the rich. I would feel much worse if I hadn’t anticipated this mess by many years and prepared for the upcoming disaster. Couldn’t happen in a better place than “moonbeam” land. Remember, the future belongs to the prepared!

Ah the spelling Nazis. Gotta love them.

Hahaha cute. Governor Brown is proposing some serious cuts dearie. You might want to look into what he’s doiing now before you open your trap.

So glad both of you are gone.

I love spelling nazi know-it-alls. Which means I love you. Kisses.

Tim’s right. I am also a California native. It’s all the people from “back East” who ruined California.

Californians . . . were getting a free lunch?!

It’s always amusing how people use all encompassing abstract words without any regard for FACTS.

I haven’t gotten 1 red cent. It’s the people doing business as government that take and spend other peoples money through threat of physical violence. Politicians have been getting placed into these so-called “offices” since the beginning of corporate rule.

People continue being the little peon serfs that they are and have the audacity to blame their fellow forced participants. Forced by who? A bunch of liars, thieves, and murderers doing business as “rulers.”

Get REAL!!! And stop talking about your arse.

The most liberal state in the Union which welcomes all malcontents and outcasts.

I suppose this is only natural, California was the spawning ground of the gated community.

We don’t need to know everything about California, just what’s important- such as the high unemployment rate, the high crime rate, the high tax rates, the low education rate- isn’t that enough? How about the general moral collapse? And, since you hate ‘big business’ so much, why do you lament it moving to other states? And who would want to live in a state where a frigging tree is more important than a human being? Certainly not a hard-working taxpayer. After 12 years in 3 different parts of California, I don’t miss having left there over 17 years ago. Modesto used to be a fairly nice place to live [know many people there] but guess what- this is a glimpse of what’s just around the corner for the rest of the state. So, selfish, obnoxious Californians, enjoy sleeping in the bed that YOU made while the rest of us laugh at your continuing incompetence and denial from our much-more-fruitful 49 other states.

My family had been in California for generations but we moved out! Some to Alaska … some to Colorado.

peeps from the east? lol. it’s the peeps from the south and their unruly gangster children.

You just proved you know nothing. High crime rate?

Actually in many places it’s lower than it’s been in decades.

Try arguing using even ONE fact and people might take you seriously.

Yeah, serious cuts like getting rid of cell phones for state employees. This will cut the deficit by less than one tenth of one percent. It’s all for show. Style over substance.

I was 4 generations in California. However, special interest groups, politicians in Sacramento, people that can’t speak English, high taxes, too many rules and regulations, and most people on some form of government aid. I couldn’t take it anymore so we moved. We are glad we moved, I paid for our home in three years tax savings! Thanks

@SpinnyLiberal – It’s funny how you call “Shutter of Liberal Mouths” a “nazi know-it-all”. NAZI is an abbreviation of “The National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. So you are calling him a socialist??? That seems rather odd …

Moved to CA in 2003. Love the weather, geography and most of the people I meet where I roll – in what used to be called “the country”. Never appreciated the cities and “most of” the people there – where – if you know California, just like the USA, is where the the most violent, ignorant, teat suckers dwell.

Santa Barbara and south are “gone”, Crescent City, San Fran, Sac, Modesto, Fresno and Bakersfield are as well. For the most part the rest is pretty great.

Would be nice if there was some conservative “community organizing” to band together and begin the rooting out process. Maybe then we could get some containment and eventually some true “diversity” of politics.

Beverly Hills has had this for years and it’s never been an issue. I guess only the rich have the right to protect themselvs?

They’ve all been sent here to Neva-duh,, where our punchline to the how stooopid question is, “Harry Reid got reelected.:”

California economy: I rub your back for $75 an hour then you rub my back for $75 an hour then we both go down to Best Buy and get a new Chinese TV.

Arm yourself, use armed guards, buy more guns and rabid pitbulls; fight back for the criminals are armed better than you and they have rat lawyers who bend the law placing them as victim. California used to be the best State in the Union but do to liberalism, Illegals gone wild and the Al Sharpton sing alongs, this State is a dump. Look at all the social liberal States, they’re doing poorly and have some of the highest unemployment. Count the cities within California that were once run by whites, much better city councils and governing boards compared to the vast Hispanic city councils with rampant corruption and theft. I knew O’useless Oblahma would divided people more than unite, he can’t govern his wifes big mouth and his shoelaces. so the Nation follows the leader,…into the cesspool. Free enterprise, hire special ops, security guards and off duty cops; get the job done.

@LuckyPup. Perhaps you should look at any urban dictionary. Grammar and/or spelling “nazis” is an expression. It’s a behavior comparison.

Private sector can usually get the job done better than the public sector. They are hired to do a job and they do it, not stomp their feet and cry (or go on strike) like the unions. Look at all the snow storms we had in the north east this past winter. While the taxpayers waited and waited for our public streets to be plowed, look at the jobs private contractors did clearing out the parking lots of businesses etc. They were cleared while we watched all the public employees crying about the long hours and poor conditions, remember Manhattan??

@LuckyPup

$1.5 billion from the California welfare program, Cal Works;
$750 million from various services for developmentally disabled individuals; and, $1.7 million from the state’s medical insurance program, Medi-Cal.
$500 million from University of California

Cutting cell phones and cars was largely symbollic. Look above at serious cuts.

“divinegrace” enjoys watching the suffering of others. How very Christ-like of you.

Caint fix stupid. But I hear cancer cures smoking!

I just paid my dues with NRA and Oath Keepers. I am a neighborhood watch kind of a guy. To help prevent home invasions and theft we have organized neighborhoods into armed camps here in the San Diego area. Each family has an air horn. A can of wasp and hornet spray. A walkie talkie. A rifle or pistol. Plenty of ammo and food for 1 month. We patrol our neighborhoods at night. Crime is down now in the hood. Cops are few and far between . Home invasions are up. But not where I live

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Maybe we should name it Cholo City… For reals man

“Everything has been figured out, except how to live.”
- Jean-Paul Sartre

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Oh come on lets just pay more taxes and let the union eliminate crime. Hahahaha

easy is being moderated? why?

“right to keep and bear arms” ? armed, licensed and trained citizens should be able to protect themselves in america. oh that’s right, were talking california. it would be politically incorrect to stop that criminal act, remember the guy raping your 12 year old is just a product of his disadvantaged youth, and is not responsible for his acts.

Right. The criminals who run the state have decreed that you can’t harm a criminal commiting a criminal act. The cops might, but their response time is pretty lousy. But you’d better not!

From a melting pot, into a chamber pot…….Micheal Savage.

Better safe than sorry, even if it costs a few bucks more. The bad guys can be clever, resourceful and violent.

acutally… I think this is a great idea

Modesto, another armpit of California. Remember, an armed society is a civilized society. Arm the residents, teach them to shoot and when.

Oh, God forbid the residents of California be allowed their own Constitutional Rights, as in self defense.
When every little old lady can carry a .38 in her purse, you’ll see crime drop.
Not only on the streets, but in the real halls of crime, that is to say the criminals in government.
THAT’S what the whole thing is about.

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Yup. Just call that private fire department next time your house catches fire.

Well if the PD can’t get it done then somebody has to, it cannot be the criminals can just run rampant, so if (as usual) the public sector can’t get it together then it’s time for rent-a-cop, or better yet Robocop.

@ Rick A Hyatt…yep good idea. We already are an open carry state, we just have to have are bullets in our hand…unloaded in other words but bullets at hand is already legal…also frowned upon by people who think they are free?

yeah, then it can be just like johannesburg… you and your kids will become prisoners in your own homes.

would be great if i didnt already pay for the govt firehouse ……………… private firehouse would get their faster and save more as their is more incentive

The private fire dept would get there faster and not get lost. The lady in philly, bet she wish a private company ran the ems.

this is a great ideal if citizens had the opertunity to pay for out side help ,then they could deduct that from there taxes. i do believe that those outside contractors would do a better job knowing that just a few are looking at them instead of the whole city. love it.

Uh, isn’t that what Neighborhood Watch is for?

There are private fire departments, and they work great. Look up Rural Metro!

Easy and inexpensive solution……
Individuals need to exersise their rights!
ARM YOURSELVES!!!!
Protect your property.

The majority of the coutry has VOLUNTEER fire departments, and they don’t moan and cry all the time like the paid ones do!

The issue is to stop crime; wake up!

Private security guards do not Taser old cranky old ladies or shoot mentally handicapped men for not grovelling quickly enough or deaf men for not hearing clearly enough. In other words, private security guards can be prosecuted and fired for bad behavior. Best of all, private security guards killed on duty do not have gaudy, undignified funerals that shut down the city. In other words, private security guards are treated like other citizens.

Wow, harsh first comment, but sadly it is so accurate. +1 to that. There will be “tests” by the thugs, early on, to see how the new dynamic plays out. It will make the news again!

Anything to put the “Thugs” in an early grave works for me…

I grew up in CA, moved to TX 12 yrs. ago.
In TX, we don’t hire armed guards, we arm and take care of the problem ourselves.
One of MANY reasons I’ll stay in TX.

I’ve never met very many competant private security gaurds. They are usually police academy rejects. Why don’t the people in the neighborhood just arm themselves? If a thug breaks into your house in the middle of the night, you shoot him. If that starts happening, thugs will stop breaking into houses. Oh wait, this is Cali, where the criminals have more rights than the law abiding and the criminals are the only ones with guns. I’m glad i live in a state where citizens can and do protect themselves. Remember, when seconds count the police (or private security) are only minutes away.

we arm ourselves in colorado as well!

This action is related to the surge in crime by hilspanic invaders.

California is a nanny state, the people have been brainwashed by the leftists to be dependent. Meanwhile the diveristy = perversity campaign has only help bankrupt a once thriving economy, prosperity is no more.
50% of the population is illegal, voting ballots in 20 languages, political correctness on every corner.

Relax folks, this is much ado about nothing. You obviously haven’t been edumacated in, nor embraced HOPE & CHANGE. These are not criminals, they are Obamas new army of WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION SPECIALISTS. The Obamessiah will unionize them as federal employees and then you brilliant Californicators will have the privilege of paying for their services and generous retirement pensions. California has become the laughingstock of the country – never has a locale with so much in terms of resources & potential had it so entirely mismanaged and squandered by starry-eyed, liberal idiots.

-No real offense intended here, and I sympathize with the many rational Californians afflicted by the stupidity of their leadership. But if you read between the lines there is some salient truth embedded in this silly metaphor.

Yeah but won’t they have to use guns to do this? I mean aren’t we trying to lessen gun use? Maybe they think to win one needs fight fire with fire?

” well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” Personal freedom (from crime) is a personal responsibility.

Florida Too…….Bang Bang……Thug Begone

THis is exactly why we move away from Modesto ten years ago. The college agea use to be a nice area to live in and it’s hard to grasp the fact that it has gone down hill. Why hire private security? The Modesto Police Department should saturate the area with their reserve unit and concentrate on cracking down the existing problem. I totally agree with the comment made by Missouri Mule.

very very true. THey also dont stomp on the heads of innocent victims or tazer old men in their beds. Its sad that the one thing that government is supposed to do, protect us, they have failed.

You are an Idiot!

The crime rate where I live is about the lowest in the nation and a conservative estimate would be that 80% of homes have guns in them.

AMEN brother this is part of what the SECOND AMENDMENT is about… personal responsibility… if a person is scared of guns, and wants to hire a mercenary to protect them, that’s OK with me… but I can’t afford that, so don’t take away my ability to protect myself. (the other part of the 2nd amendment is of course ensuring the citizens can protect themselves against an oppressive government – part of which may be inept police)

That’s what happens when you drive states and municipalities broke.

Worse than useless, the first time one of these security guard tries to arrest or prevent a crime the company will get sued out of existence and the homeowners will lose their house.

Mark my words, this is a lawsuit waiting to happen

I must assume that you are using sarcasm. We are not trying to lessen gun use. Maybe you are… but WE The People are not trying to lessen gun use. We are trying to reduce crime. Your phrasing puts any gun use on equal par. Fire with fire is a nice pun… defensive gun fire vs. criminal gun fire. Is that not why you allow your police to carry guns? So why not me?

Right on…I hope it spreads to towns and cities as soon as possible.

The should hire the A-Team, they can wipe out a crime gang in about 1 hour and no one gets killed!!!

More money – more money – more money. That is the answer right. More money more money more money… how about the police do their job… the number of police per number of residents has gone virtually unchanged… how about arrest, try, and keep in jail if convicted… more money more money more money for the greedy lazy ignorant government worker more money more money

No, the government is not supposed to protect us as individuals. They are responsible for security of the country from foreign threats. But the courts, including SCOTUS, have ruled repeatedly that state/city government police agencies have no duty to protect individual members of the public. (outside of special arrangements like protective custody)

In the tropics it is quite common to see a phone booth size enclosure for a night-surveillance security guard, paid by the residents of that block. It works!

The European side of my family came to California in early 1850′s…some were survivors of the Donner Party. The rest of the family were Native Americans…the records of Mission San Juan Capistrano list one of those being baptized in 1799. As for me, I left the state in 1996 and will never return. I now live in a state that allows me to carry a weapon, defend my home as my castle and own any type of firearm I want. The crime is is far less than California and the economy is much better.

I fear the land of my ancestors is toast….and charred toast at that. Until a majority of Californians can stand up and take back the state from the progressive toads who have destroyed a paradise there is no hope.

You can have all the collective hope and change you want. As for me I’ll take care of myself and my family.

California is a discretionary state for CCW. The local sheriff has complete discretion over issuing CCWs. Standards between counties vary widely, some counties don’t issue at all, ever. Others issue to folks who show their intelligence by their contributing to the sheriff’s re-election fund. Others pretty much issue to any law abiding citizen. So, the ability to carry a weapon outside of one’s home isn’t a right- it’s a privilege approved by the sheriff.

Here in Michigan too !!! But, then you move to California, you have the Second Amendment removed from you psyche and its replaced with “I must pay for everything to be done for me”

great post!!!

Remember, the highest crime city in America was the ONLY city in America that was not covered by the US Constitution as it is a District and not a state, so they figured they could out-law guns inside people’s homes. Now the SCOTUS has said otherwise, has their crime dropped ?

James, you are a true Patriot !! We need more like you. If you’re ever on Mackinac Island, say hi !!

I don’t see a problem with hiring armed guards? If the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to keep and bear arms and this community wants to hire guards and arm them then whats the big deal? They’ll have less crime going on because criminals feed on the weak and unprotected. That’s why when you have the crazies that go on killing sprees they typically go to schools because they know that no one there is armed and able to protect themselves..

Go to copblock.org to see the abuses that citizens deal with everyday coming from police. Then maybe you will understand why Mr. Carpenter feels the way he does.

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require everyone to be armed like they did in Kennesaw Ga. Crime rate PLUMMETED.

Bad guys can break in my place and good ole BIG BERTHA with hollow points will see how things wash out

I say it IS a right…just one that is abrogated by the state.

Include Georgia. My wife and I are well armed, trained, and licensed to give us maximum protection under the laws of the State.

First off, there is case law that states police are not duty bound to protect you as a private citizen, so what do you expect private citizens to do when police do not show up. The courts have said you cannot sue them, so your left alone to defend yourself. There are not enough police to protect everyone, so it is up to the private citizen. If it takes a show of force by utilizing private security, then so be it.

I agree. They will have to go through the useless and expensive legal exercise though before they come to the correct conclusion, namely, that they are done there and that it is time for the predictable white flight scenario to commence.

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Yeah -rent-a-cops are soooo professional with their 5 hours of training… they really know how to handle any situation, because they have gone through such detailed background checks, and thy’s spent sooooo much time at the Security Guard Academy! I laugh at simpletons like you who wine about cops just because you got a ticket once or got busted for doing something completely stupid. You will be the first one whining about it when you NEED a cop, You will also be the first one asking indignantly “Why weren’t these private thugs properly screened and trained?” when one of them with a rage disorder (he probably failed the psych exam for a PD but hey – he can still be a security guard…) stomps you or one of your hoodlum friends down on the sidewalk for looking at him wrong.

Why dont we as citizens take care of our own issues! for each of us its our neighborhood who has a bigger stake in the safety of our families frends and property than we do? We have the same rights as a security Guard we can place poeple under citizens arrest and hold them until the police arrive. Citizens arrest is a serious thing and you have to know what you are doing before you attenpt to use it but its pretty easy to get the facts and be sure you handle things in a legal manner. The police are reactive they cant do anything until a crime occurs we can! Gangs thugs so what is their gang bigger than your neighborhood? do the thugs have more to loose than we do? As citizens we need to grow a pair and start taking care of ourselves. Start a neighborhood watch make it uncomfortabl for the bad element let them move to a neighborhood that wont organize and protect themselves. Im afraid the police may become fewer and fewer in number as budgets tighten. Take back your neighborhood or better yet dont let them get entrenched in your neighborhood if they arent already. Im not talking vigilante action just good old holding people accountable for their actions im not advocating violence either,

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CCW is concealed carry. There is no law preventing you from openly carrying a weapon. There is also no law preventing you from owning a shotgun to protect your home.

“I sympathize with the many rational Californians afflicted by the stupidity of their leadership.”

Why? They are the idiots who keep re-electing these morons. Californians have the government they deserve.

Here’s an idea… why not arm YOURSELVES instead of paying someone else, who may or may not be there when you need them?

Oh wait, this is California, where you’ve forfeited your rights to self-defense.

California, you’re an unarmed state, sitting ducks for criminals. I escaped to Colorado in 2001. Here, we are issued concealed weapons permits. We have the “Make My Day,” law which means you can use deadly force to protect yourself in your home. Here,a criminal doesn’t know if he’s going to attack someone who can defend themselves.

Here’s a novel idea: How about the law-abiding citizens banning together and patrolling their own neighborhood? Oh wait a minute, the thugs are armed and dangerous. Hmmm . . . oh wait we have a second amendment. So, law-abiding citizens could arm themselves for protection . . . and the thugs might think twice about terrorizing the neighborhood? Oh wait, that’s not possible due to California being a “may issue” state. Oh well.

It is a shame that they must hire guards to protect them. But as James put it the liberal toads made it happen. The people of California are to blame. They keep voting them back into office or the smart ones are moving out of the state. Here in NC we still have the right to own and carry a gun. By the way not all cops are corrupt or beat up the people they arrest. They are out everyday risking their lives for little pay or thanks. In many cases their hands are tied by our judicial system that does give the thugs more rights than the honest citizen. By the way(Realist) I agree in this country and exspecially in California, this is probably a law suit waiting to happen. If they pull their guns they better kill the thug or they will be sued.

If your RULERS weren’t c#$%@en s#@t libs, you could protect YOURSELVES!

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Had to leave old Ca. Shoot an armed criminal and you may have to pay his relatives for defending yourself. Pelosi, nice job and the criminal element thanks you.

I read awhile back that in parts of CA there is a private fire department for areas with brush fires. So I guess it makes since to have a private police force. So remind me again what the people in CA are paying taxes for. Oh I remember. So the government can outlaw toys in fast food meals and tax the air people breath. Time for an Egypt style revolt in CA

The crime there is not that real bad; that said it is not as safe as citizens should be subject to. Finally It is now possible to obtain a concealed carry permit from the county sherrif. Only reason you need it for self protection. The climate for issueing is getting better in CA. Not good enough, but better. The Modesto PD is a fine department, but like alot of the Dept’s in the central valley the financial cuts have made it less safe. Citizens should be armed and the criminals need to be scared for a change!

Uh oh. I got censored. Let me try again. In 1975, San Jose, CA I defended myself inside my own business. I got arrested for ADW, discharging a firearm in city limits and carrying a loaded firearm. Eventually everything got dropped, but the suspect sued me and collected $25,000 from my insurance company for “mental anguish.” Crime pays in California, the unarmed state.

Libertarianism WORKS.

Clearly private citizens are smart and responsible enough to organize their own security force and we don’t need paternalistic government.

What is the difference between this private force and the police?

If the police kills someone they aren’t accountable, but if a security guard does, he will be held to the law.

I think its ok to hire guards, and yes you can patrol it yourself, but the reason to hire guards is for someone else to patrol on your behalf. this is how police forces started. essentially people wanted someone to defend their property, homes, etc so they could go out and do other things, so yes you can defend your neighborhood yourself but guards are ok too.

Also, USC has armed guards on almost every corner on and around their campus to protect their students from the LA ghetto that surrounds it. this is a perfectly acceptable move.

Better not hire union guards. It will cost you 2 to 3 times more!

If you american conservative moneybags opened your wallets a little, maybe poor people wouldn’t be forced to steal??
In Canada we have a safety net for everyone including the rich. By looking after our less advantaged, the rich are much safer here.
BTW- we don’t want your rich. They only blow up the banking system with their greedy selfserving ways.

Those of you who think that (1) California’s gun laws are way too restrictive; (2) that more guns (or the right to conceal without permit) would solve the problem; and (3) that it’s a bad thing that any gun-totting local can’t decide whether you deserve a bullet or not–are fools.

(1) California gun laws are by no means severe. Check out Britain and Canada (and notice that even the British police are not routinely armed, requiring instead the dispatch of Authorized Firearm Officers for such things) and notice how much lower their crime rate is per capita.

(2) Yes, because clearly MORE guns (and allowing all citizens to conceal them) will prevent the United States from continuing to triple Europe’s per capita murder rate year-in year-out.

(3) If none of you guys live in California because of these “restrictive gun laws”, then I’d say that the measure worked and California is much better off.

Val, are you trained to use a firearm like guards are? Do you think confronting a thug yourself is safer than hiring a trained professional. Just because you have a gun doesn’t mean the outcome is in your favor.

$25 a month?
That’s $300 per year which is more than enough to buy a shotgun and some ammo!! Criminals love defenseless victims.

If more guns equal more crime why does the FBI say violent crime and murder rates in America are the lowest they have been in decades while Americans have been buying more guns than we ever have before?
A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone because when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

That’s the thing- the liberals who voted for those liberal politicians would rarely ever protect themselves, they expect others(mainly the government) to protect them.

It’s to bad your “state” has done everything it can to take away your ablility to defend yourself. Send the bad guys over to Nevada we haven’t been nutered yet.

A ‘trained’ arm guard get’s just as much training as someone who posses a concealed carry permit. They are essentially the same requirements.

Yeah, you guys in Canada have a real utopia up there. No crime, no drugs, no unemployment, and no waiting to see a doctor. No problems buying a gun for self defense. Free speech on today’s hot topics. Right.

Yeah but having a gun sure helps when you need to defend yourself or others from a dangerous criminal. And that’s what being a free citizen is all about, you should be free to choose for yourself whether or not you want to be a helpless victim.

Read “More Guns, Less Crime” for the facts.
The more armed citizens with concealed carry permits in an area, the more crime drops, especially for rape and murder.
I used to live in Kaliformia and can attest that people are much better behaved in states recognizing our inalienable right to self defense.
In Kalifornia, the thugs know ordinary citizens are helpless sheep…they are aggressive, arrogant, bullying. Citizens live in fear. But in other states, the thugs stay polite on the street and keep a low profile. They know their next victim could be their last.
England and Australia’s gun crime rate soared over 40% after they banned guns.
The FBI says over 90% of gun violence here is criminal gangs shooting each other over drug turf, etc. Also a problem the liberals created and protect.
Yes, Kalifornia is a failed state, the former “golden state” and in a few more decades will be a third world nation.
Productive, sane citizens are moving out as fast as they can, leaving behind the super rich living in gated communities, the foolish liberals, the very poor and a huge and growing criminal population.
Everywhere Liberalism goes, it brings chaos, degradation and destruction.

Where is all of that state, city, and county tax money if there is not enough for police and fire protection? Are politicians stupid or corrupt? Has to be one or the other. Has to be.

Yes, here is the proof: just look at any city that has been governed exclusively by Democrats for decades: Detroit, Camden, etc. You can see the failed schools, the destroyed economy. In cities like those, the mayors are Democrats, the police chiefs are Democrats, the congress is Democratic…they have ruled for decades and the results are the same. Destruction. Just look it up for yourself.

2nd Amendment:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT be INFRINGED.

People this was not written to grant power to the State of California or the National Guard. This is for you, the average working person. We are the militia. We are here to back up our nation and state.

There is physically no way police can protect you and your family 24/7. There is no way the police can come to your rescue in two seconds when a bad guy is attacking you. The responsibility to protect yourself and family resides with YOU.

I find it funny there are Police agencies that condemn or look down on the armed citizen or refuse to issue concealed weapons permits to law abiding people who only seek to protect themselves.

Criminals are criminals, bad guys are bad guys and you are just prey. The law enforcement community needs to embrace and protect the 2nd Amendment and a lawful individuals RIGHT to be armed.

I am… it really wouldn’t take long to become trained.

Where does the tax money go? Google, “the cost of illegal immigration in California”
It’s not the illegal’s fault, who are looking for a better life but it is the fault of the politicians who have been bought and paid for by powerful corporations and groups that want to flood the US with desperate third world people who will depress wages so they and the citizens can be further exploited economically.
The media they own and control lie to your faces, screaming that any disagreement is “racist”…this is like Hitler’s brownshirts beating down the opposition in the streets. Any disagreement with your elite masters and you are beaten down with public insults.

All the “real” police do is drive around and ticket and harrass the little guy while hoping they can shoot them to satisfy the hate they have for all of us. They just show up to crimes after the fact and write up a report…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/utah-video-police-kill-man-drug-raid_n_810420.html

They are trained to treat the average citizen as the enemy while collecting wall/fraud street salaries with full pay & luxurious benefits at retirement at 50 (San Jose Sheriff-500k) and are bankrupting and robbing us blind. They will be the first ones to bash your head in when you can’t pay your taxes or protest the government.

CA’s public employee unioins will just put out an ad before elections with a fireman holding a child, and all the sheep will fall for it, like they always do. They will raise taxes/raise utilities and will start to “privatize” government land to help pay for all this, including “foreign free trade zones” that are planned throughout the country or sell the rights to parking meters to foreigners like they did in chicago, or toll roads in indiana and elsewhere to the chinese.

And guess what? They won’t ever “balance” the budget, just continue to pay interest to the financiers on the muni bonds right up to when everything collapses within the next 5 or 10 years.

Absolutely Jeff! All Kalifornia does is infringe on it’s citizen’s 2nd amendment rights! How about becoming a shall issue state and allowing citizens to protect themselves if they choose to? Wake up Kalifornia!!!! Go to some parts of LA and see how many FELONS have guns ILLEGALLY!!! But somehow it makes sense for law abiding citizen’s to be denied the right to bear arms? Give me a break.

If your going to refer to America, show a little class and capitalize the “A” in America. Crime in America is not confined to the “poor”. As in most countries suffering with hgh crime rates, drugs illegal immigration and overwhelmed justice system contribute to the epidemic. Lets not forget our liberal lawmakers passing laws tying the hands of our police, subverting the Constitution and preventing the American citizen from exercising the Right of self protection.

Money flows into politics from both conservative and liberal sources. Money is not the solution Lack of values is the problem. Start thinking for yourself, stop repeating the class warfare pablem.

“Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.”
- Plato

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Ok, here’s the problem. First and foremost California citizens were effectively disarmed by those who are supposed to represent our best interests. Unfortunately, it began in 1967 with the Mulford act were in Don Mulford introduced the bill that that made carrying a loaded firearm illegal, and was accepted by the senate and assembly, and Governor Ronald Reagan signed it. From there it got worse and now our current politicians want to take that a step further and make carrying even an unloaded openly carried firearm illegal. Ladies and gentleman, as a former police officer and former military policeman, we can’t let that happen. There are organizations right now, even as I write this, doing everything in their power to help law abiding Californian’s regain their right to keep and carry arms for self defense. Unfortunately, a lot of Californian’s want someone else to protect them and their homes, and refuse to take any proactive measures that helps with their protection. One such measure is buying a firearm and learning how to use it.

Currently, California is considered a “may issue” state, which means that our local Sheriff, and the Police Chiefs in our cities have wide discretion on who does and doesn’t get a concealed weapons permit. Now how does that actually translate in reality ? What that means is, if you aren’t wealthy enough or willing to contribute to a Sheriff’s campaign fund, the likelyhood of getting a permit is slim to none. Folks, if you want to protect yourself, you have to get active and do something about it. 80% of America is “Shall Issue”, California is among the 20% that thinks a law abiding citizen needs government permission and “Good Cause” that the police determine is good enough.

California is behind the eight ball on this issue. Alaska, Arizona and Vermont don’t require permits to carry a firearm openly or concealed, and other states are in the process of doing the same thing. And then there’s California. Our legislators are adding more draconian restrictions on the law abiding gun owner as bordering states are releasing their grip.

Having security is fine, but even roving security patrols can’t be everywhere. It will take you and your neighbors, along with real desire to protect your families, to keep them safe. You can start by first getting the proper tools, and learning how to use them.

If you read my post closely, you’ll notice that I was pointing out the absurdity of the argument that more guns = less crime. Assuming that because I pointed out that the argument was sophistic that I must therefore hold the diametrically opposed view, that less guns = less crime, is absurd. Guns aren’t a curative. Arming everyone is a non sequitor to this issue.

I say arm our citizens. Look up Kennesaw, Georgia’s mandatory gun law. The ordinance required every home to own a handgun (with exceptions for conscientious objectors, convicted felons, and some other catgegories) In 1982 when this law was passed, anti-gun advocates were speculating about the gunfights in the streets and all sorts of violent gun crimes. What really happened was crime in the area dropped almost “90 percent.” This probably had something to do with the fact that criminals knew that if they broke into a residence, the possibility of getting shot was in the 90+ percent range. Since then the population in that city has grown proportionate to the rest of Georgia, but the crime has not. Hmmm…go figure.

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This is a completely ludicrous argument. Scandinavia is the most heavily armed country in Western Europe with a very low violent crime rate. Canada is considerably less armed per capita than the US and has a low violent crime rate. Brazil has tight gun restrictions with an extremely high violent crime rate. Great Britain has tight gun restrictions and also has a very low violent crime rate.

My point again: arming the populace is a non sequitur “solution”.

Actually, that isn’t proof: it’s a string of examples that you’ve decided are all conveniently linked by party affiliation while excluding all other causal factors as basically superfluous. Clearly not all Republican city-strongholds can boast absolutely successful schools, glowing economies, etc. This is a quip, not evidence.

And before you ask, no, I’m not a Democrat: I just get sick of people politicizing common sense so that it becomes a matter of partisanship rather than a matter of rationality.

Hey Cali Cop

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately there are more gun “haters” out there voting for these leftist anti-gun commies and until these jello heads realize that police cannot protect them from the bad guys our rights will continue to be assaulted. It also does not help when the media is complicit in the assault.

As I stated above, it is physically impossible for law enforcement to protect everyone at every moment. I will also add if we try to have law enforcement protect us at every moment, it will take a cop on every corner, cameras and high tech surveillance everywhere. AKA, a Police State.

Day-to-day financial pressures will push more people to the brink of desperation, resulting in more crime. What’s happening in Modesto — citizens taking action to protect themselves and their property — is inevitable and coming to a community near you (no matter where you live in the US). The economy is not improving for the middle class that is about to be ravaged by inflation in the form of impending spikes in the price of necessities (thanks to reckless and excessive money printing). The ever-shrinking US middle class will do what it must in order to protect what little it has left.

Why don’t they ask their friends in LA & Malibu if they want to help? I’m sure they’d understand the need for security…oh, that’s right, they just talk about helping, or go to Africa to help…

Hire the security, then send the bill to the county and have them take that portion off the homeowners real estate taxes. Apparently, these people have to pay twice for services that should be done by the county!!

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Well said Jeff! Even the Supreme Court has said that law enforcement has no responsibility to protect citizens. Their only responsibility is to enforce the law. Armed security will likewise have no responsibility to protect these people. The town of Kennesaw, GA has a law requiring all homes to have a firearm. Kennesaw has one of the lowest crime rates in the state of GA.

Come on, all anyone has to do is look at history, or western movies, if you don’t want to read history. When someone pays someone else to protect them, the ones with the guns become the ones in charge. Not only that, if you pay someone to protect you, all it takes is someone to pay them more to turn on you, or for them to realize that their life is not worth what you’re paying them.

I should have said “for them to realize their life is worth much more than what they’re being paid.”

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The facts are, the prisons are full of demorats. Stop paying the least educated to have babies. They are a high percentage of future prisoners.

Hey Jeff,

I won’t call them Jello heads, let’s just say that there are some people who know so much that isn’t true.

Unfortunately in the past, those that promoted the disarming of law abiding citizens through law, disinformation, and shame, have been more vocal than those who promoted the lawful use and constant training with firearms. Unfortunately, there are those people, like Ken James, the police Chief of Emeryville, Sheriff Leroy Baca of L.A. County, and Charlie Beck of LAPD who have tangible authority that gives them some form of credibility that allows them to continue disseminating disinformation. They also have some incentive to do it in that fear mongering and telling people how evil and dangerous it is to own a gun keeps the power in their hands and those who believe the propaganda aquiese because they are unable or unwilling to find information that refutes the claims.

The other unfortunate lie that continues to be disseminated is that the police will be there to protect you. But what would you expect a person to say who is working the crowd for their votes, or constantly standing in council chambers with their hand out asking for an increase in their budget ? The best suggestion I can offer is to fight the disinformation in your little corner of the world. Present the truth to your family and friends who know you. Truth will only overcome the lies if people are willing to listen. So let it begin here.

I wasn’t going to ask your party affiliation… I just want you to cite one single RNC stronghold city that is even remotely close to this level of despotism.

Its all about the policies. The policies in those areas have run industries out through over taxation leaving behing a population with high unemployment and low legitimate employment opertunities. The conditions lead to youth being recruited and indoctrinated into criminal ring (organized crime, drug trafficing and street gangs) not much unlike Jihadist do through Africa/Middle East.

Conversely, policies that favor job creation and new industries provide better employment opertunities through both lower unemployment and better wages and lead to lower crime rates.

You can sit around and say it is partisan or whatever but the fact still remains that employment provides jobs, jobs provides money, money is taxed and pays for education, and education make people marketable for employment. When you break that cycle through bad policies then it has a negative affect on the soceity.

Repubs favor business opertunities and Dems favor social wellfare. Social wellfare thoeretically takes a person below but near the poverty line and raises them above it. The problem is that too much social wellfare is counterproductive because it places those cost onto the industries who relocate to areas with lower costs. You end up with too few revenue sources, with too many residents in need of wellfare and too little genifits available, and with higher concentrations of the population below the poverty line and ripe for recruitment into the criminal orgs listed above. As crime goes up, it drive more honest workers out of the area leaving behind even less tax revenues and even higher crime per capita ratios. And there you have a city like Detroit.

Man I should learn to proof read before submitting. Edits, effect instead of affect and benefits instead of genefits.

I’d pay the $25 for my peace of mind. I just hope whoever they’re hiring is well-trained, lest we have another Oscar Grant nightmare

The police are so overwhelmed with inner city crimes that they rarely have the time to even do random patrols through middle class and upper class neighborhoods and even many lower class neighborhoods. Basically, if you do not have major problems in your neighborhood, don’t count on seeing the police unless you call them and even then expect to wait a min. of 30 minutes if not hours for them to show. Private police and security forces are bridging the gap. I forsee that one day all home owner associations will be hiring these entities to better protect their neighborhoods. Our tax money just doesnt go very far. Protect yourself and your neighbors.

I was born in Modesto and went to school in Ceres and Modesto Junior College. There was vertually no crime. Well, open the flood gates to illegals and such and this is what you get. I moved to Oregon.

Just remember when your hired gaurds want to unionize fire them and hire a new crew! As soon as the gov’t tries to regulate them (local , state or federal) tell them to butt out! they failed and you no longer require their help!

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Poor California. They don’t understand that where ever liberalism and leftist politics go, crime, squalor, chaos, poverty and violence soon follow. They need to wake up before it’s too late.

Ironically, those states that the more conservative and liberal when it comes to gun laws have the highest crime rates. Go figure! Check the FBI stats if you think I’m lying. California comes in #16 on that count.

I believe that Arden Park has hired private patrol officers. Three years ago when I had family and friends living there I would hear of some serious home robberies. I live in South Sacramento and I was shocked at the number of robberies, but the media never seems to talk about it. Wonder why?

Thats because college educated liberals prefer to live in exclusive pricey communities like berkeley.

While those of us without enough money to escape the results of liberalism become increasingly conservative through actual experience.

I defy you to show me a traditionally conservative area that has ever allowed itself to become as crime ridden as any liberal driven city.

Good start, now just need to eliminate and terminate all gang members.

Be proactive: get your CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) permit, residents of Stanislaus County! So far, Sheriff Christianson has been true to his campaign promise of relaxing his grip on issuing concealed carry permits! Many people have been applying, and from what I’ve heard, nobody without a criminal record (or other red flag) is being turned down.

You need to take a mandated 8-hour course–there are several locations about the city–its costs about a hundred bucks. You have to do a little paperwork, have an interview, etc. The whole process takes about 6 months because the Sheriff is backed up with the flood of applicants.

Be responsible, be extra careful, and don’t let fear become your life!

Its a fact that an armed populace reduces crime while on the same token, a disarmed populace breeds crime. Criminals don’t want to encounter armed victims. It’s too dangerous and occasionally results in the criminal getting himself shot.

I agree to some extent, I was raised in Modesto. It was not till Bill Clinton became president and passed a law which required a drug offender to have to relocate from the residence he/she was captured in that all this stuff really took off. Because Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield all started getting the left overs from the Bay and LA areas. Also the out skirts of the Bay started moving into Modesto in the early mid-90s had a major impact, on its social environment. Otherwise Modesto was a nice small town to live in and raise your children.

I have often wondered why it that Conservatives are called the “right” and Liberals
are called the “left”. By chance there is a verse in the Bible: “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the “fool” to the left. “Ecclesiastes 10:2
Thus sayeth the Lord. Amen..
Can’t get any simpler than that !!!

If the Scriptures are understood, “left” is judgment, restriction, while “right” is mercy, expansion. It may be that the terms are reversed for these two points of view and that the Scripture actually states the opposite attribute to your interpretation.

ok this should be put in place.the modesto city police wont do there job .i had a break in at my neigbors house witch was up for sale. called 911 after noticing that the back door was infact kicked open .20 mins later i received a phone call from the responding officer and said there was nothing he could do . only way he could do anything about it is if there was someone hurt in the home. the officer said the laws dont allow him to serch a empty house that is up for sale for intruders . so he drove by and used a spotlight on the house. leaving me to walk back over there at 2 am in the morning and try to secure the backdoor myself. thank you modesto police dept for protecting and servering the neigborhood . next time the police wants communites help . i for 1 will say i can’t help for my laws dont allow it. once again this happened about 2 months ago.

i live in modesto and was born here .i have seen modesto go to hell in a hand basket the last 30 years .modesto police just drive around for 15 to 25 mins and then drive to the s.o.s. golf course or the modesto nuts baseball stadium and park their cars and do nothing unless its high profile. protect and server modesto is something from the past and in todays time it means drive around and do nothing and get paid for it .i say we hire armed gaurds or we arm are selfs. i am a law abidin citiz and do own a handgun. the police wont do there jobs them lets get them out of there cars and jobs .cus i am tired of doing the mans work for him so mpd wake up cus your losing the fight here and it will only get worst so please wake up for god sakes and do your job . protect and serve .

My CCW permit is the 2nd amendment. Oddly, no CA law enforcement officer has ever confiscated my weapon while I carried it.

The only good leftist is a dead one. — See? I can make a remark just as stupid as you can.

¿ por que ?

How about Calling I.C.E to rid of these worthless brown roaches!

Gee our recent profiles show, more rich people in the news getting arrested you know like Senators, Congressmen, News media, hi profile sports figures, cops, movies stars . Where did you get the idea we ony have poor criminals? LOL

The crime is just a cover, in this particular case, the organization which first approached the community groups with the idea of such security forces has the goal of eliminating the homeless in these areas through armed patrols. It’s been the ongoing subject of investigation and action by the writers of the Modesto Anarcho zine.

They’ve been attending the meetings of the Blue Ribbon Commission on Homelessness for a while and monitoring these events as they unfold. You can find their article on the subject here:

http://www.modestoanarcho.org/2011/08/joe-muratores-committee-proposes.html

It apparently dates from the French parliament who sat in a particular order with the more conservative group on the Right and the more liberal on the Left although, as I understand it, their Right group is more of what we would consider a Centrist Democrat and their Left group was the Socialist party, or what we here would call “Far Left.”

no i dont think that will help since most the crack heads robbing people are white

This has to do specifically with the state of CA stealing city and county funds to pay for their petty, ridiculous, worthless “progrmas”, which are usually financial sops to buy votes. So, in reality, the reason we are having these manpower issues locally is the leftists in Sacramento aer stealing all our local tax dollars.

Jacob – Your post is an utter and complete lie. The reason this organization was even put together has to do with drug addicts taking over Gracaeda and Enslen Parks, (finding needles at children’s soccer practices, for example), drug addicts breaking into cars on their way to the methadone clinic on the corner of McHenry and Modesto Ave, and the multiple issues with drug-addled or drunken “homeless” attacking our homes (our nextdoor neighbor had a drugged up bum pouding on her door for 20 minutes 2 weeks ago, and had to call the police), and other bums starting fires in our garbage cans as they search for bottles and cans (which almost cost my family our home last year). So take your garbage and try and peddle it elsewhere.

The “homeless” (most often drugged-up bums, who seem to be able to afford meth, booze and cigarettes pretty well) are not free to attack our homes, cars, children, or destroy the safety of our neighborhood. And people like you are part of the “homeless” problem. How many “homeless” do you take in each and every night at your house? II’m sorry, I mean your mommy and daddy’s house. I’m sure the answer is “none”. Why? You seem to feel they are all upstanding citizens, simply down on their luck.

BTW, the organization to which you link is an execrable group, with labsolutely zero insight or value to add to any discussion. What a complete and total joke you are.

Who says teh security firm won’t be hiring off-duty cops? Also , since Sacramento (i.e. the Democrat Party) has seen fit to keep stealing tax dollars from cities and counties, all to fund their waste, fraud, and abuse, many police officers and sherriffs have been laid off. I wonder how many of them are looking for work?

As a member of the College Area Neighborhood Association (CANA), I would have to correct you on this one. While there are plenty of gang issues, and illegals are a problem, most of the issues being dealt with in this neighborhood have to do with drug-addled bums, who happen primarily to be white. The west side of town has more of an illegal issue than this neighborhood.

(the primary place illegals are the problem are 1. hospitals, 2. schools, 3. jails, and 4. uninsured motorists. In other words, they are far more financial drains than daily problems, like the drug-addled bums)

What I find most troubling about the illegal issues, however, is the people most harmed by the violent gang-affiliated ones are the low-iincome nighborhoods inhabited by low-wage Mexicans (and plenty of ilelgals, I imagine). In other words, the Mexican immigrants, legal or not, are the ones most harmed by the violent illegals and Mexican gangs. However, there is never an uprising by the neighborhoods most effected against the Mexican gangs and illegals themselves. Why are the GOOD people in those west side neighborhoods (and there are good people there in spades) not working with police and gang units daily to make the gangs desire to leave? They perpetuate their own problems by not counter-acting gang activity and working with police.

While I agree with your post, this neighborhood does not really have issues with drug sales in the parks. It is promarily the drug-addled bums – i.e. the “homeless” – who are the issues here. It is these bums who make daily trips to the STATE-SPONSORED methadone clinic (which is set up on a neighborhood street, surrounded by homes, BTW), that hang out all day in our parks doing drugs and boozing. These drugged-up bums then break into cars, steal kids’ bikes, break into homes and garages, and essentially msake it impossible for children and families to use the parks.

You are correct in your assertion of drugs as the root problem. However, the drug-addled bums are not FROM this neighborhood, aside from taking their drugs IN OUR PARKS, and leaving paraphernalia – like used needles – around. And those “advocating” for the “homeless” – i.e. drug-addled bums – are a huge part of the problem.

Please note for the record, our COngressman is a leftist Democrat Party member, Dennis Cardoza. While this area is more conservative, and obviously a bit less mentally impaired than much of California (Bay Area, LA, Sac, etc.), it is a lesson on why the Democrat Party is so against voter ID laws. In California, it is illegal – ILLEGAL – for a poll worker to ask for your ID. So, what do you think happens on election day in the area of town where the illegals primarily reside? well, nobody really knows (which is what the Democrat Party wants). But somehow, a conservative area elected a leftist Democrat, who supported Pelosi and Reid in denying water to west side farmers, all in quid pro quo for campaing cash from leftist “environmental” groups.

Depends upopn the crime. But the majority of teh drug-addled bums detroying our parks, breaking into our homes and cars seems to be white. This is not to be confused with the trades the gangs run. That is primarily suerenos and nortenos – Mexican gangs. But CANA is going after drugs and crimes which seem to radiate from teh drug-addled bums in the parks. And coincidentally enough, these people seem to be primarily white. Please note, that is only my input, based upon living in the CANA for the past 6 years, and coaching kids soccer teams in the local parks.

There is also a parole office on Needham, down the street a bit. I think the career criminals try and keep away from that place – though I do wish it were located elsewhere.

I would disagree in only one sense. The cities and counties have hadtheir tax receipts looted by the state. So, rather than the money staying where it belongs, the Democrats in Sac have stolen that money to pay -off union thugs in Sac to buy votes. So, while one can argue abou the management of budgets, one must also keep in mind the real culprits are the leftist Democrats in Sac, and their allegiance to – and therefore, our tax dollars being funneled to – the unions.

Security can be a good thing to have , but armed I don’t agree. Security is there to observe and report and for this type of situation armed security is not the answer. Majority most of the problems that we face are unarmed .. It’s best to have security patrol neighbor hoods and report to police if they see a potential problem.

Yeah, the Republican/conservative/madhatter Party and and their head rat, America’s Politically and Racially Correct Drug Addict, Lush Limpbrain.

A armed society is a polite society.

Because white boys don’t have ten kids, living withh some stupid chic drawing welfare, food stamps, and drawing diability for himself, after all he is diabled, better yet unable to work due to his addiction. Maybe most white boys stay away from people to keep their addiction to themselves, and not force it on innocent children. Most white boys don’t steal they panhandle. Therefore its stupid people who give them money on the street corner feeding their drug habit. That that sounds just about as stupid as your reply. But Actually closer to the truth then yours.

They are protected by politicians and libs

Sorry this was for Joes comment about I.C.E.