welcome to the Big Brother state.

Papers. Your papers, please.

Sheesh.

@JK: So, you’d rather they just let the felons walk away upon an unconfirmed identity off to their next victim I suppose?

Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.

Criminals should be the only ones worried. Unless you’re breaking the law, the police have no reason to detain and fingerprint you. Our Constitution (the Law) is the foundation of our country. So don’t break our laws JK, and you won’t have to give up ‘Your papers’.

Fingerprinting the innocent, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our right:
They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.
They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
Impeach Obama and sweep out the Congress.
(Last link of Banned Book):
http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526

You’re a little late with this “news” story, CBS13. This technology has been in widespread use for a while. Lodi PD got it 4 years ago…

Mark of the beast stuff

Revelation 14:9 (NIV)

9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand…

Finger prints and retinal scan baby!!!

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This is how it start’s…..”Criminals should be the only ones worried. Unless you’re breaking the law, the police have no reason to detain and fingerprint you.” This is how it began in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Bloc. Even when you were doing “nothing” and not breaking the law, the Stasi and Gestapo could detain and assault you because they had the power to and answered to no one…..don’t be naive and think it couldn’t happen here.

Yeah okay AN, and how’s that worked out for us so far?

Dear AN: I am not a criminal so why worry? What about the protesters at the G20 in Pittsburgh, no law breaking going on there but many suffered military level sonic attacks from LRAD equipment by your Government. Google “MIAC Strategic Report” and and see if you are regarded as a threat in Missouri. You might just be surprised.

Just remember the wise warning by Martin Niemöller

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Push back against Government abuses TODAY never tolerate tyranny. Tomorrow may be too late.
Join The V for Victory Campaign! Resistance is success.

No real news here. Police have been able to get this information for decades Now it is just more mobile and easily accessible. A question to our constitutional scholars who post about rights being violated. Which amendment covers the “right to conceal your identity to avoid prosecution”? Which amendment covers the “right to commit crimes and not show up in court”? If anything, this technology may HELP citizens enjoy their constitutional rights quicker, like a speedy trial and like the right to face their accuser, by making sure they are arrested on those pesky warrants.

Then justice system will put them back on the street in hours anyway! Wake up or get on the cattle car!

Not really seeing how using mobile fingerprint technology to do a job more efficiently equates to the Nazi atrocities but make sure you keep that tin foil hat polished so your can monitor all the “conspiracy waves” that are everywhere in the air. Really people?? This is not news!!! Police can now get information that has been readily available to police officers for decades on the street instead of in the police department. Its a simple technological evolution, first we used ink to fingerprint criminals and mailed those cards to a Bureau of Identification to find out someones identity, then we had large fingerprint scanner in police depts which did the job in minutes or hours instead of weeks and now we can scan the fingerprints on the street and find identities in minutes. This technology may make your life safer by getting criminals who evade prosecution off the streets sooner and its less intrusive than bringing someone to the police dept to ascertain their identity.

We let them into the Oval office don’t we? No history, no identification sealed records. Lets scan, probe, x-ray and biometrically database all our “leaders” and see how that goes and see who they really are. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER submit to this tyranny.

Oh yeah, and BTW you [pd] are probably considered an enemy of the state in Missouri as well. This system hates everyone that has one breath of freedom in their lungs and will prosecute every one who desires liberty. Google the MIAC Strategic Report and see who Missouri thinks are enemies of the state.

I reported a dry-ice bomb that failed to detonate next to my car. When the police showed up, THEY RAN MY DRIVER’S LICENSE. I did nothing wrong, other than contacting the police. Your sort of ignorance is the most dangerous sort.

California überall, 1984, F° 151, No Escape, Obey, don’t smoke, don’t drink, don’t have sex, work slaves, give us your tax money, Cali=USSR, GDR, DPRK, PRC, Cuba, Singapore,
live to work for the Govt, and be taxed, Obey!!!

Seems to me a person would have to be under arrest before submitting to a finderprint scan. What ever happend to probable cause?

Identifying criminal suspects is not a loss to liberty.

Ignoamous…so they ran your driver’s license. So what? You had no warrants, or other issues, and nothing happened to you, and you’re here blogging today. Where is the “violation” in your comment? The police never know who they’re talking to. If you did have warrants or other issues, it wouldn’t be the first time, nor the last.

you forgot – it’s racist

Almost time to once again pledge lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fourth Amendment.

But suspecting everyone is. Pulled over for running a stop sign? Fingerprint, please. WalMart security thinks you put a Snickers bar in your pocket. Fingerprint, please. Fingerprint NOW!

Johnny Ochsner +1

Supreme Court, UNITED STATES V. GUEST (1966), Justice POTTER STEWART: “The constitutional right to travel from one State to another … occupies a position so fundamental to the concept of our Federal Union. It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized.… Although there have been recurring differences in emphasis within the Court as to the source of the constitutional right to travel, there is no need to canvas those differences further. All have agreed that the right exists.…We reaffirm it now.”

As in, “I am travelling, and no, I do not want to show you some ID.”

The Constitution is (or should be) law and your questions pertain specifically to those who have broken the law. Amendment 4, however, grants us the right to not be fingerprinted (if fingerprinting isn’t a search and seizure, I don’t know what is…) when no crime has been committed. Police departments are beginning to use drones that can see into your/my law-abiding, Constitution-loving homes, cities are passing laws allowing law enforcement to make groups of people standing on street corners minding their own business show their identification, SB510 could potentially make ‘criminals’ out of anyone growing tomatoes in the their backyard. Not to mention the TSA taking naked pictures and reaching down the pants of men, women and children.

In May 2005, President Bush signed Public Law 109-13 which will require states to federalize their identification (Real ID) by May 11, 2011. No one’s talking much about it, but Real ID cards will contain up to 1GB of personal information along with GPS/RFID. Fingerprint and iris scanning technology is already being used abroad, you’re kidding yourself if you don’t believe what their doing is cataloging all of us for future tracking and processing.

@ Oh Please
I assume you do nothing illegal or wrong. Therefor I assume you would have no problem with unannounced visits by local law enforcement just to look through your home, or car, or purse. And since you have nothing to hide, you get a free TSA exam. And we’ll check that prostate for ya, too.

Jeff, if someone is wanted on an outstanding warrant, does that mean the cops are allowed to access and review everyone’s personal information?

You go first, big guy. Let me scan your license and we’ll see what the computer databases say about you. You have nothing to fear, do you? I hope the database doesn’t have any incorrect records in it.

Startin’ to look like it. And most people will willingly become part of the 6th mass extinction because self-sufficiency/self-determination is almost non-existent.

They can run my llisence anytime…there is nothing on it. I was stopped once at 9 pm. I was going 55 in a 45 miph zone. I pulled over, turned on the dome light and put both hands on the steering wheel. I funished my drivers license and insurance card and registration to the officer. He ran a standard check on me, wrote me a warning and thanked me for the way I responded. If you are not doing things to intimidate the officer, you have nothing to worry about.

I won’t comply…

THIS IS WHAT A POLICE STATE LOOKS LIKE.

@christopher – thats the problem with news stories and reporters….”personal information” is thrown out there and not defined. Police already have access to numerous computer databases, driver’s license info, vehicle registration info and criminal histories. Along with that info is information on warrants, gang membership, parole info, sex offender info and other “hot’ files. We don’t get “personal” information from this fingerprint inquiry. If we need other information for investigative purposes, we get it from a private internet database search company, not a gov’t file. The information that everyone thinks is readily available in “24″ or other TV shows is not available to the everyday police officer. You are giving the govt WAY to much credit if you think they have their act together enough to pull this fantasy computer system off. I first heard of this technology 20 yrs ago and how we should have it up and running with 3 to 5 yrs. Well its 2011 and only a handful of depts in the nation use it. If gov’t is involved it will most likely take many more years and many more dollars to produce a half assed system. TV is fantasy world…they are always smarter, have cooler guns and cars, better technology, guns that dont run out of bullets, cell phones that never die, they never have to go to the bathroom, solve everything in less than an hour and are generally better looking than the average cop. p.s. check my license, registration, criminal history and whatever else you need to…..my dept does it yearly for the last 25 yrs along with the schools I worked for and the state for my licensing…check away I have nothing to hide. p.s.s if you know where i can get one of those cool endlessly supplied Jack Bauer “24″ bags…. hook me up

“The law does not pretend to punish everything that is dishonest. That would seriously interfere with business.” ~ Clarence Darrow

——— http://911essentials.com

I don’t have time to watch TV I have to work to pay taxes so my police can buy toys to use against my liberties.

Do you think it is a proper role of government to have police secretly searching, researching, collecting data and hiring researchers? IBM did too, in 1938.

“I did nothing wrong, other than contacting the police. ”

I think you answered your own question.

You lost me at “find identities”. Its none of the police’s business who I am. The government has no business snooping in the affairs of free private citizens, period. Or we’re not the free country we like to pretend we are.

Where’s the case law? Thats what the SCOTUS does every year. Regarding fingerprinting at station or out in the field: Hayes v. Florida – Reaffirmed the basic rule of Davis – that taking a suspect to the station for fingerprinting is not permissible in the absence of probable cause. The court however mentioned that fingerprinting during a stop may be constitutional where there is reasonable suspicion that the suspect has committed a criminal act. In addition, the 4th amendment might permit the judiciary to authorize the seizure of a person on less than probable cause and his removal to the station for fingerprinting. Davis v. Mississippi – Suspect was taken to the police station, briefly questioned and fingerprinted. There was no probable cause to arrest him at that time. SC held that the detention of Davis during which the fingerprints were taken constituted an unreasonable seizure. It went beyond the kind of investigation that can take place during a lawful stop.

This is how the constitution is applied to everyday situations that the forefathers could have never anticipated. Their is a long history of SC cases and just quoting an amendment does not do justice to the constitution. Read up on specific situations that occur in REAL life by real people fighting to keep society safe. You will begin to see that WE are not the enemy. We are normal people doing dangerous jobs to protect people who may or may not respect us. Take off your tin foil hat and join the real world….gotta run now ..the black helicopters that make no noise are buzzing my house for giving away the secrets of inept and inefficient govt agencies.

I saw a 2 car T-bone wreck occur at an intersection and immediately called 911 on my cell because it was probably an injury accident needing ambulances. The 911 operator demanded to know who I was…didn’t care about the injuries, etc. Sorry Charlie, I hung up. That is an intrusion into my privacy. America is a police state and most of us haven’t caught on……..yet.

You only have to worry if you’re a criminal.

Look for you to get harassed for stuff you did when you were younger. police states work like that

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To the people saying things like, “I was violated, all I did wrong was call the police and they subjected me to an I’d check” -

Please understand that Law Enforcement has no idea who you are, if you are the caller/complainant, a victim, a subject, a criminal, etc until they verify I.D. and establish a presence. Your word is not enough as any criminal can point their finger and say “that’s the guy who broke into my car” and play the part of the victim/caller.

Surely you all can understand this little bit of common sense.

What evidence do you have that I am a “person” as defined in any statute or code,and “subject” to any of those codes or statutes? And by authority do you identify or demand that I, a living, breathing, flesh, blood and sentient man of god, must have or be identified by a “name”
Are you a “person” as defined in any statute, code, regulation law, or public policy?
Are you a state(ute) defined juristic person?
Are you a “name”?
Are you a citizen?
what law requires a man to have and use a legal name..? what law requires a man to belong to a society? what law requires a man to have or use an address? by what law do the courts use a name to identify a living man? by what authority do they use a name to identify a living man? by what legislation do they use a name to identify a living man? Who or what owns the absolute title to the legal name? what law requires a baby to have a birth certificate?

People need to wake up and figure out that things may not be as they have been indoctrinated to believe,by their peers, family,media and the indoctrination system euphemistically known as the public school(fool)system.
http://bindingthefirm.myfastforum.org/download/file.php?id=48

The police or gov’t dont hire researchers. It is a for profit company like Lexis-Nexis Accurint, which bill collectors, private investigators and businesses use. Check it out. Once again…stop with the broad generalizations about govt conspiracies to rob everyone of there liberties. Have some facts when you post something. Believe me, we have our hands full dealing with a small percentage of the population that believes the rules dont apply to them.

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When the Roseville Police “Deploy Mobile DNA Fingerprinting Technoloy” Jeff and his ilk will be posting, “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about,” and to those who quote the 4th Amendment that they are naive and the Supremes have determined that we mere civillians must submit to those who “protect and serve.”

Hey tool, the police have NO business knowing who you are. Just like you have no business knowing who someone is, you don’t have a right to know. Neither do police. So police should get special exemptions just because they’re the police? Last time I checked my tax dollars are paying for their salary and they have a right to harass me? I never voted for any of this, so why should I comply and tell the cops my name, address, record (if any)?

Common sense is standing up for your rights, not bending over and taking it like a dumb sheep.

give them Scott’s name

Common sense also includes not being a shreiking whiner.

If the police have cause to interact with you then they have the authority, we have all agreed to give them, to do that job properly. I find it easy to accept that they should identify people accurately.
Either that or I guess anyone who gets stopped should just give them your name. It won’t be verified so..whatever…right Mr Common Sense?
btw; if i’m ever on a jury and you are defending your right to be anonymous when a cop was rightfully asking for your info . . . well . . . nevermind. I don’t want to give away the ending.