Apparently a right wing relibous nut is loose and working in this school district. Trace down the writer and fire them.

This is a perfect example why all America will stop government, when is goes to fare, looks deep it our personal life’s, wake up America, the school wants your life not to educate your children. This story needs more press and viewed by parents all over America. So what did the school want parents to tell? Unions and Government can only take what is not there’s to exist.

LEFT wing, actually.

Wait a second: I think this is just squeamishness on the part of parents who don’t feel comfortable seeing the word “vaginal” on a school form. Children delivered by C-section are 79% more likely to contract asthma than children delivered vaginally (http://www.naturalnews.com/026046_asthma_C-section_risk.html), so this is a legitimate health concern for the school. The school asks relevant medical questions (e.g., about allergies or family history of serious illnesses for which the child may be at risk); why not ask a question that would determine whether the child is at risk for asthma?

This is not the only school district. The City of Roseville School District does the same. Of course, I would have to ask the school to provide a copy of their privacy practices. If it is necessary for them to have it, then they are responsible for HIPAA too. Of course, I plan on writing, none of your business…you idiot.

I think the schools should worry about teaching and let parents worry about their childs health. They have no nurses. They can’t give medicine. Why is it their business.

More religious rightwing anti everything not white republican and christian idiots, putting their noses even further into our bedrooms. and they call the liberals the ones growing government. Hey wanna know what color I pee?…that’s next.

Good grief. This is hardly rare. I think it’s just a boilerplate questionnaire from the standard form filled out when children go to a new pediatrician.

LAUSD asks the same question on its student health questionnaires. I’m sure if the parents didn’t answer it, nobody would even notice.

No–apparently a very slow news day, and reporters who have never had children–or at least have never sent any children to school.

Standard question, been on health questionnaires for decades.

You men left wing liberal!!!!

The parent is correct. The prospective educational personnel have absolutely no right meddling with the families right to privacy. If they persist, the family should simply seek a more enlightened prospective educational facility. While continuing to inform the community and other educators of similar invasions of privacy.

NO MOST WHITE FOLKS DON’T HATE LATINOS WE HATE THAT OUR TAX DOLLARS GO TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, IDIOT. MAYBE IF YOU ACTUALLY PAID TAXES OR PAID FOR A COLLEGE DEGREE YOU WOULD GET THE POINT.

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Then they should ask if the child was breastfed and for how long. Because if you breastfeed the child has less chance of asthma/allergies and even some diseases. None of their business! Left wing nut jobs!

Well, of course you’re welcome to do that.

They also ask if the child was born pre-term, whether it had any developmental delays, any broken bones, childhood diseases, epilepsy, etc. etc. etc. Is that also none of their business?

Why is everyone out of the blue getting all hopped up about this particular question?

It’s been there for decades.

Is having a c-section something to be ashamed of? Why on earth would anyone give a flying fig whether someone–everyone, anyone–knew that a child was born by c-section?

This whole thing is too bizarre to believe. Somebody at the paper needs to call an actual parent who has had children in school anywhere in the US in the last century to get some perspective on this non-issue.

Thanks, Lolly, for a breath of sanity.

How is this meddling with the right to privacy? Is the school making the information public? Are they refusing entrance to a child whose parent simply writes “Decline to respond” on that question?

I would have no problem answering that question. Honestly — if having that knowledge could bring medical benefit to my child or anyone else’s child, why would I possibly want to withhold the information?

Sure, Rick. Because as we all know, one’s morals are determined by what “group of people” the person belongs to. Oh, wait — only bigots believe that.

JUST DON’T ANSWER THE FRIGGING QUESTION!!!! LEAVE IT BLANK OR WRITE N/A ON IT!!! GEEESSSHHHHH!!!! DON’T MAKE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL!!!

I’m white, and you and all other whites who think the same way you do are ignorant, ahole idiot BIGGOTS!!!

It is NOT a legitimate question. If a child has asthma and the school needs to know, the parent will let the school know the child has asthma. If the school wants to know if the child is at risk for asthma it can ask that. It is not the school’s business how a child was born. Period.

I’d like to give Lolly and Avi some perspective. You’re point of view is idiotic at best.

Just because something has been done the same way for decades (or that everyone else does it that way), doesn’t mean it is right and that we should not question it.

The only way humanity and society will progress is by asking why something is done a certain way and by not doing things that are not necessary (i.e., there is no legitimate reason for doing them), that are a waste of time, or that are harmful.

A free and thoughtful Society does not progress by saying “that’s the way it has always been done so it must be right, therefore we should continue doing it” or “it’s been there for decades” so we should continue doing it.

That type of thought process (i.e., your type of bureaucratic thought process) is not intelligent and will stifle progress and efficiency.

Your type of thought process (i.e., it has always been done this way so we should not question why it is done) only belongs in Russia or China, not in a free society like America.

You both must be mindless bureaucrats that work for the school district in question.

Who’s to say they WOULDN’T refuse entrance to a child born C-section? They had that question on the application for a reason. They didn’t think anyone was bold enough to speak up. It’s Roseville… I believe they were denying certain students entry and lying about the reason, stating the school was full or something along those lines.

This should be front page headlines something very unusal and inappropriate is going on at this school and needs to be investigated.

Lolly’s and Avi’s type of thought process will result in the downfall of America. Hopefully there are very few people that think like them in America.

What Lolly and Avi are basically saying is:

If something has been done the same way for a very long time (even though we can’t remember why we are doing it and it makes no sense to do it) just because we have done it that way for ever, we should not question it, we should just mindlessly continue doing it just like everyone else has for the past decades…even though it is a waste of time.

Obviously, Lolly and Avi don’t believe in the concepts of quality control or continuous improvement. They only believe in the bureaucratic process favoring the status quo.

This information goes into the child’s permanent record . That information is transferred to the NSA to facilitate tracking for life.

I am convinced bureaucrats and bureaucracies are a far greater threat to We, the People’s freedoms than ALL foreign enemies combined.

So Lolly, what you are saying is: Since they are all asking the same question or doing the same thing…it must be O.K.

So if LAUSD asks if your daughter or son has reached puberty yet or has had sexual intercourse yet, you would think that is a great question because if the LAUSD is asking it…it must be O.K.? And if parents don’t answer it that it would make it O.K. too?

And you assume that if parents don’t answer these lame and intrusive questions that the school district won’t penalize the child and/or parent?

What kind of sheeple are you?

Yes, wouldn’t it be wonderful, as a result of the lack of concern by sheeple like Avi and Lolly, that insurance companies get a hold of this information and begin charging higher health insurance premiums or denying your children health insurance coverage because this information was inadvertently provided to the insurance industry by the school district (in order to sell the information and make additional revenue to cover the school districts budget deficit).

Heck, in order to satisfy sheeple like Avi and Lolly, all the school district would have to say is that “all of the school districts are doing it.”

I think the main problem is the question that is being asked also concern’s the mother’s medical history. This border’s on a violation of the HIPPA federal law.

I put two children through public schools here in NY. I was never once asked how the kids were delivered by a school form. It is none of the schools business. It has no relevance to school life. I’m an RN, and I am quite confidant that my kids could learn just fine without anyone knowing that information. Anyone can ask whatever they want on a form, there is no law saying you have to provide that information. Stop rolling over and giving up your right to privacy people. It’s nobody’s business outside of a Doctor’s office.

I’m astounded by the amount of people who assume that because it’s “always been done this way” that it makes it OK to ask questions like these that really don’t matter as far as the kid’s health goes. If the kid has asthma or any other health concerns, the parent is going to make sure that the school knows about it, presumably under a field that asks the parent(s) to list any and all health problems that the child has.

Thing is, there’s no real reason to know this unless you’re in a doctor’s office. Unless you’re enrolling your child in a pee-wee medical school, the offices aren’t going to know what to do with any of that data or what it means. All they’ll know (at best) are a few misconceptions and whatever they can glean from “Web M.D.” or God help us, wikipedia. There’s a higher chance of this data being misused than it being properly applied.

As far as “always been done”, think about all of the things that’d “always been done” in the past that were known to be wrong. If we were to continue to do things just because it was “always done” then schools would still be segregated, women would be denied the right to vote, and various other things that we know are wrong would still be in place. To assume that “always been done” is a valid excuse for anything is just stupidity. We should always question whether or not something should be in place- that’s what keeps our freedoms intact as well as protects our own rights.

While being delivered via C-section may affect a child’s health, my point is that the average school employee won’t know what to do with this info. You might as well tell it to the person manning the counters at Sears. The school nurses might know what to do with this data, but they’re either nonexistent in schools or so overworked that they have no time to try to pinpoint which kids will be more or less likely to catch a cold or get asthma based on their form of delivery. I’d wager that most of them probably roll their eyes at the idea that schools assume that this info is so important that it needs to be included on an application.

Not entirely. As long as the parent freely gives out this information on the form, it’s not a HIPPA violation. If the school were to attempt to get this information without the knowledge and consent of the parent/guardian or were to try to get further medical information beyond what the parent/guardian gives, then it would be a violation.

And the ones that do have nurses, those nurses are far too busy to worry about whether the child was a C-section or a regular birth.

And that explains the lack of reply from school offcials?

That question is inappropriate. Just because a child is born C section does not mean they will have any medical issues at all. Are you willing to have your child labeled because you delivered c section. As far as the “at risk for asthma” response, it is more appropriate to ask whether the child has any heath concerns, don’t you think? If you are going this route with questioning (i.e. asthma risk) then why not include, did you deliver premature, what gestational age were you, any viral infections, pets in the house, how often do you clean your house, carpet or hardwood, what kind of landscaping do you have? How about any drug or alcohol exposure to determine whether we should hold a spot for your child in the developmental delayed class…you know, just in case. Hmm..oh yes, did you breast feed? How long did you breast feed? What a crock!

They do include many of those questions.

It sounds like most people here think there was a separate sheet of paper with one question on it–”Was child delivered vaginally or by c-section?”

Students entering any school in the US–or probably any developed country–are given a health form to fill out. The form looks, as I said, pretty much like the one you get from a pediatrician when you bring your child in for a first visit. There are questions about pre-term delivery, childhood diseases, broken bones, developmental delays, etc etc etc. It’s the standard health history form.

You can argue that we should change it–I don’t much care one way or the other. It’s a pain to fill out every time a child starts a new school, so I suppose I wouldn’t mind not filling it out. The bizarre thing here is how hopped up everyone is getting about this. Really? You’re worried that your child won’t get into a good school if the teachers know you had a c-section?

That would eliminate almost 30% of the population these days.

As for insurance, any insurance you have will definitely ask that question on its own. They don’t need to get the info from your child’s school.

Answer it or don’t, I don’t care. Just don’t get all upset about government conspiracies and invasion of privacy over such a non-issue.

It’s made their business when parents drop their children off for 6-8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Think of it as a “second home.”

Then you shouldn’t have children and send them to public school. The health of a child becomes the school’s business when the parents make the decision to leave their child there for 6-8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

How would sharing information between the school raise anybody’s rates, unless those people were lying on their insurance forms to begin with?

No worries … the schools are going to be using a few form with new questions very soon …
The new questions?
How many times did the mother and father of this chid have sex before getting pregnant?
What sexual positions were used when the child was concieved?
Did the mother experience an climatic orgasam during conception?

No, I’m pretty sure its right wing.

Now I know one of the reasons that California schools rank at a low 48th in the Nation. Asking stupid questions like this one has nothing to do with school.
As I always understood it, teachers are there to teach and children are there to learn. How dumb of me to think this way.
Statistics, it appears, are more important to California school administrators than actually giving these kids an education.

After reading some of the rebuttals to my comments, I’m beginning to understand the total lack of critical thinking that is stirring some of the reactions to this story. I never said the schools should do it because “everyone is doing it” — that’s known as the Straw Man Fallacy (look it up). What I said was that there is a legitimate medically-based reason for the school to ask this question, and that no one is compelled to answer it if they don’t want to.

So let’s tally up the rational responses I’ve received: I’ve been called an idiot, a sheep, and a black person (said as an insult by someone who insists they are not a bigot). That one is known as the Ad Hominem Fallacy (look that one up, too). I may be an idiot and a sheep, but that does not change the truth of what I wrote. (Oh, and I’m not black or Latino — I’m a white Jew. Now I’ll sit back and wait for some antisemite to make that point relevant to the discussion.)

Perspective, can you show me, please, where I said anything like that? Can you show me where I said that we should do this because it’s already being done? I really don’t need you to explain what I am “basically saying.” I think I’m articulate enough to do that myself, thank you.

Of course we should question — I never said anything to indicate that we should not — but our questions should be based on rational thought and statistics (e.g., the study I quoted linking C-sections to increased risk of asthma), and on empirical facts. It should not be based on whether or not the participants in the discussion are Latino or Black, or whether or not they are sheep or idiots. It should be based on a rational comparison of risks and benefits.

Providing relevant medical information on a school form (which, by the way, NO ONE IS COMPELLING ANYONE TO DO HERE) offers the benefit of targeting medical conditions before they occur and potentially saving lives, and the risk that someone will find out how your kid was born. For me, the benefit outweighs the risk. For you, you’d rather impede the possible health benefit than risk this very minor technical infringement of your privacy. That’s your opinion, I respect your right to it, even though I disagree with it. I doubt you’re familiar with that concept.

Your beliefs, though I disagree with them, do not make you a sheep or an idiot or an illegal immigrant — they just make you wrong in my personal opinion. The downfall of America will not come because the school knows how your kid was born. The downfall of America will come (as it has for so many other nations) because people stop thinking critically and start finding refuge in personal attacks on those who think differently from them, or belong to a different ethnicity.

Really? Do you have a source for that?

Gosh, I hope their spelling and grammar on the form are better than that.

Do you find it unusual that the superintendent of a public school district (who is busy dealing with budget crises, guns in the schools, health threats, academic challenges due to grossly underpaid teachers, overcrowded classrooms and crumbling facilities) might not be free to return a phone call the same day from a bored media outlet asking about an optional question on an admission form?

How about if they applied for a grant and need to ask these questions in order to collect money for submitting the information back to the grantor which is probably the state or federal govt

“Teachers are there to teach and children are there to learn.” Are you saying that a printed optional question on an administrative form that the teachers do not even get to see, is impacting the teachers’ ability to teach? Can you explain this?

“Statistics, it appears, are more important to California school administrators than actually giving these kids an education.” Your condemnation of statistics is pretty ironic, considering the fact that your posting itself leads off with a statistic. How would we know where our education ranks, were it not for statistical studies conducted in the schools?

Breastfeeding is for women who like having their nippled sucked. Nothing more.

First. How can anyone say this is a right wing policy? You need to get your head examed and wake up. You have been voting wrong if that is what you think.

Second, I guess us parents should get to ask the same quetions of the administrators or teachers. Specially their drug past, sexual preference and political thinking.

fair is fair.

First, it is not a choice to take kids to school it is the law. Second, I guess your empoyeer gets to ask you the same questions then. How about asking about your sexual preference? Do you have Aides? Etc. Can you see where this is heading? Slippery Slope my friend. The Obama Health Care Plan is already setting up a network requiring Doctors to send all your medical information to the Federal Governement. This way they can decide on which Health problems they want to treat and which ones not to. Geat real my friend. You are the dumb one with your head in the sand.

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I am 40 and I still breast feed. I am so healthy!

So the c section baby has a 79% risk of developing asthma? That is between the doctor and parent —— then if the child does have it they can tell the school. Really is that the reason they are asking this question? Just because one study shows this does not make it fact. Look it up. LOL

Avi —- You really need to get a life!

Avi, judging from your numerous posts it appears that you really enjoy arguing. Enough is enough already. Take a shower.

Can you please repost this in English.

“Why on earth would anyone give a flying fig whether someone–everyone, anyone–knew that a child was born by c-section?”

Exactly! So why bother asking the question. Since someone did in fact ask the question, I would tend to believe that someone for some reason did give a flying fig. Perhaps the school administration fears some prophesy foretold by three witches.

Wow…I think most people missed the point of the question. There are numerous studies that link a child’s health and their capacity to withstand infection tied to C-Sections. C-Sections are a lazy doctor’s method of getting out of the delivery room as fast as possible, and it is almost never actually required.

They are asking the question not because it is linked to intelligence, but because if your child was delivered by C-Section they are at greater risk of infecting others and being infected by transmittable disease

So now that we made it illegal to discriminate by race or gender, we are going to discriminate by birth method?

This information would only come into play if the student is having learning difficulties. When looking at a student who is not successful in the classroom many questions are asked to rule out trauma at birth, ear infections that might delay language, etc. I certainly feel this question isn’t appropriate for the student enrollment form.

You pure breds seem uptight

The difference is in flavor. Some recipes in the “To Serve Man” cookbook call for different cuts and grades of meat. If earth humans would have paid attention to the warning where many of my species sacrificed their lives to implant into your entertainment-media consciousness, then we’d be able to thwart the Galactic Overlord’s plans. Why else would school districts be asking this question? They wanted to know their inventory on the tastier cuts.

Wow!. Everyone I know had a C-section because they couldn’t deliver vaginally. Don’t think that you have an M.D. after your name. Sounds more like an opinion than a fact.

I too saw these questions when entering our twins into the Dry Creek School District. This family makes a great point in stating that the form does not give the option to “optionally answer.” If it is optional , she is right in asking that that is stated, not only for her own family but for the rest of us to know. I personally see no reason why a school would need this. I can’t imagine that a school uses birth ways to examine a child at an intellectual level. I don’t like to call others out on these type of sites but clearly the gentleman who stated the super intendant was busy with guns at school is wrong. At no time this year has our school district had anyone on or near the campus’ with a gun.We get calls automatically to our homes about those things. The story says she’s been asking for close to 2 weeks for an answer, not one day. I think they should have responded by now.

I don’t remember how I was delivered. I was pretty young at the time.

But technically, “Native Americans” are also immigrants because they came from Asia and crossed the frozen Bering Strait.

since when is anyone discriminating? maybe its just for the sake of further studying the effects of C-Sections.

You are an idiot. I’m going to guess that you are one of those people who also believe that all doctors are evil and that you should always listen to the widwives who say that you should give birth in a tub of water in their house.

While some of the C-sections done are unnecessary, the majority of them ARE necessary for medical reasons that involve the life of the mother and/or child being at risk of death.

And by the time that your child is in elementary school most of the risks of a c-section are pretty much nil. This is the time that nurture starts to be what predominately runs the child’s life rather than nature.

First Avi, why do you keep bringing up ethnicity and illegal immigration? This article has nothing to do with those two subjects you mentioned.

Maybe you were deliver by natural birth, but they pressed too hard on your head with the forceps. Could the brain damage caused by the forceps be causing your tendency to mention irrelevant topics such as illegal immigration and ethnicity in your posts in response to my posts (topics that are not mentioned in this article or by me in my posts)? Hey, maybe asking if forceps were used during birth should be another question on the boilerplate questionnaire! lol

Now we all know that Avi is in agreement with Lolly and they have given each other kudos for their lame posts.

Here is a quote from Avi in response to Lolly’s lame post: “Thanks, Lolly, for a breath of sanity.”

Now from this statement we can determine that Lolly = Avi and Avi = Lolly.

Avi, in response to your question asked above, here is where you said it:

The following is a quote from Lolly (remember Lolly = Avi):

“Good grief. This is hardly rare. I think it’s just a boilerplate questionnaire from the standard form filled out when children go to a new pediatrician. LAUSD asks the same question on its student health questionnaires.”

Since Lolly made the above quoted statement and Lolly = Avi, Avi made the statement.

What Lolly = Avi is saying by making this statement is that if LAUSD is using this boilerplate (meaning standard and used for a very long time) questionnaire, then it must be O.K. (since they are all doing it) and we shouldn’t question what the omnipotent bureaucrats are asking us….for our own good.

I never said you are an idiot, I only said your point of view is idiotic at best. I’ll let read between the lines if you so desire.

Regarding your sheeple label: Anyone who continues doing something over and over again mindlessly, without question, is a sheeple or zombie….whatever you want to call it. Your statement (Lolly=Avi) indicates you have a sheeple mindset. If the shoe fits, wear it. If you don’t like the label, then change your mindset.

When you, Avi, feels other people are bigots, you have called them bigots (and I agree that some of the statements here appear bigoted and I would call them bigots). But if you have the right to call others commenting here bigots, I have every right to call you a sheeple…so get over it and get over yourself!

Because you feel free to call people that disagree with you bigots, but you feel people that disagree with you shouldn’t be able to call you a sheeple…YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE!

The downfall of America will come because of non-critically thinking politically correct HYPOCRITES like Avi.

Actually, I wonder if they really care about what effect the birth method had on the child. I suspect this is about screening the PARENTS. The questionnaire asks WHY a C-section was performed. I know a couple of parents who scheduled a C-section not because the wife was unable to deliver vaginally, but because it would be more “convenient” for them. If you’re the kind of person who is so anal that everything MUST be done to a schedule, to the point that you even scheduled your baby’s birth, then you’re probably going to be more of a pain to deal with than the average parent.

Right wingers are more likely to be religious wack jobs who believe that women should suffer during childbirth.

I wonder if it would matter if the child was conceived in a petri dish? LOL Artificial insemination? Was the child conceived out of wedlock? Oh my, we could have fun with this!! Maybe the parents should know how the teachers were born so they can make sure their intelligence wasn’t damaged by a c-section birth. LOL!!! This is classic!! I know what MY answer would be to that question and they wouldn’t like it!

Yeah, the thing is no legitimate doctor is going to do a C-section based on a mom’s time schedule. I know, I tried. Not for time, but because I have unusually hard and long labor so on the last one, I actually requested a C-section, but they won’t do it unless it’s medically necessary.

LOL …question popped up in late seventies in my crisis intervention class. IThose born vaginally are more apt to run in the hallways…due to the stress of traveling down the birth canal.

I prefer delivery by UPS. My past experience with Fed Ex is that they deliver at inconvenient times and the parcel post is hopeless.

Ironic that you comment on punctuation and grammar… yet you make several mistakes, yourself.

Bret: if that were the case, the answer to the question should be optional, not required. It should also be stated on the application that such a question is for research purposes.

I had to answer the same thing 2 years ago at my kids school in Temecula– It went so far as to ask if I had prenatal care, what kind, how long was the delivery did I had medication, was it normal did I sleep did the baby sleep yada yada— it was stupid and pointless…

That would mean that the form stated it was ” optional.” This form does not making it appear that it IS mandatory hence violating privacy. There is no reason a disclamer could not have been printed.

Some people seem to think, if a question is on a form, they must answer it. If I find a question I object to I simply mark it N/A, and move on.

Avi, Do you really think that your School district is better equiped to do research with your information than your insurance company or medical group? Clearly YOU have blured the lines between who should have what info. Do you go to the DMV for your groceries too?!

Think About It. You missed the point, this is about privacy. There are no reliable medical studies that state c-section babies are not able to withstand infection at age 5 when entering school. Your comment is a scare tactic that people who provide “alternative birthing methods” use to drum up business. I have had two children one vaginal and one c-section. My son’s birth via c-section was medically necessary and my doctor was not lazy she was saving my life. Additionally, my daughter who was born vaginally got sick more often than my son and the reason for this was daycare and not when or how she was born.

Than there should be a disclaimer or notation on the form stating that. Also both the school’s privacy policy and the research company’s policy should be available at all times via website to all participating familes. They should also offer the form as optional. It currently is not that way

By the time they are delivered they are already developed in the womb (unless a premie of course). If you think the delivery method affects your intelligence or health you are crazy. And no one goes into a C-section lightly. It is a major surgery, with the potential for complications for the mother. My daughter was a C-section because she was stuck on my pelvis, her heart rate was dropping, and she could have died. Incidentially, she started walking at 9 months, is ahead in speech (according to her doctor, and her teachers – not me), and is totally healthy. There is absolutely no reason for this question – I hope no parents actually provide the information.

That’s a HIPAA VIOLATION!! WTH is going on?. Sue them!

PROFOUNDLY ILLEGAL. Any healthcare worker will be punished and or fired for giving out info like that. Read about your rights here: http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/index.html

Parents unfortunatly have been providing the answer since 2006 states theSuper Intendant in the 6 pm news broadcast. I noticed he failed to say how they used their research.

Prove it. Oh wait, you can’t.

The school district should be teaching not vaginal research. There complaining about layoffs and no money but have the resources to do this.

That is the parents responsibilty to inform the school of, NOT the other way around. The school does not need to inform us of our kids risk, we know them, we are raising them. Avi you seem way to comfortable to let other people run your house and your life as well as mandate your kids lives.

Technically, asking the question is *not* a HIPAA violation. If, however, they share that information (should you choose to answer the question in the first place) with anyone else, THAT would be a HIPAA violation.

Yes, if a healthcare worker gave out that information it would be illegal, but asking the question *to* the individual involved isn’t. That being said, just because someone asks you about a medical procedure you’ve had doesn’t mean you have to answer.

The State of Ca isn’t the only place that ask these type of questions. If this is linked to how intelligent my chlldren are someone doesn’t need to be a teacher. I wonder how people in there 60′s and 70′s survived when going to school and later became sucessful when these question’s were not asked then. School’s need to focus on teaching method’s and hiring intelligent teacher’s that really want to teach no matter if you have a child strugging in academics or not. It should not matter how the child was born. The point is, we are enrolling our children for an education.

I’ll buy that silly argument when you can sell the intelligence factor. I see a greater risk to the mom with C-section but no infection to the child. Do you have a MD after your name? I doubt it. Infection suppression comes from breast feeding the first month of life you dolt!

How on earth can you compare “having epilepsy” to “born vaginally”?? I would think the schools absolutely need to know if your child is going to have a seizure in the middle of class, requires medication or other special care. There is NO reason they’d need to know if that child was pushed out of a vagina or cut out through the abdomen. None. Period.

My child went to public school and private daycare in CT and I was never once asked about my birthing method, feeding practices or sleeping arrangements; and if I had been, I’d want to know why they need this information.

What is the “there is a legitimate medically-based reason for the school to ask this question”? If it’s the *one* study that c-section children are more likely to develop asthma, I cry foul. There are several other studies that refute that finding. Look up “Argumentum ad ignorantiam.”

Also, isn’t dropping the names of logical fallacies is a bit of a “red herring,” don’t ya think?

What is the “legitimate medically-based reason for the school to ask this question”? If it’s the *one* study that c-section children are more likely to develop asthma, I cry foul. There are several other studies that refute that finding. Look up “Argumentum ad ignorantiam.”

Also, dropping the names of logical fallacies is a bit of a “red herring,” don’t ya think?

“you’d rather impede the possible health benefit than risk this very minor technical infringement of your privacy.”

I’m still very unclear on how the school (or anyone but the child’s health care professional) would gain a health benefit from knowing potential risk. I can only see it being used as a means to discriminate.

By being black, a person is more likely to develop high blood pressure and diseases associated with HBP. Does that mean a potential employer has the right to discriminate because of that person’s risk? After all, they’ll have the *potential* to be a more expensive employee. So what if they may never develop high blood pressure at all – it’s for the greater good.

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Just because a teacher or principal asks you to do something doesn’t mean that you need to do it. You can always cross out the qustion and include just the important part: Your name, your kids name, and birth date–and you home phone number in case they get sick at school.

Come on…. being born via c section doesn’t guarantee that you’ll actually get asthma or get sicker. It only heightens the chances slightly but not enough to where it would actually matter to the average child attending elementary school. By that point in time the effects of the c section really aren’t an issue anymore.

There’s no reason for the school to ask this information. They aren’t medical professionals and I’ll guess that they’re just going by the same misconceptions that some of the other people on here are going by. I’m guessing that these are the same people who think that you have to constantly rub your hands down with antibacterial gel or you’ll get sick in 3 hours.

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A totol invasion of rights and privacy, this is outrageous to say the least and the reason for wanting the information is rediculous. I had two natural births and two c-sections, “NO” difference what-so-ever in the health of the children. Women are having children after 30 and need to have a c-section most of the time so what is the real reason for wanting this “medical” information about mommy?

@dddddd: Clearly, more instruction is needed.

They just want to know if some of the kids will be leaving class through the window.

“Purple” Good answer, Lol! A troll question deserves a troll answer!

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I am from Missouri, and when I was a child, I played on large piles of lead tailings referred to as chat dumps. A lot of us in that community did. It might have affected our learning. I am not able to form a thought relevant to this subject, much less write a coherent sentence about it. For that, I apologize.

KG, you seem full of hate. Why? As for religious, I happen to be a Christian and I don’t know of any Christians that preach a preference has to how a woman gives birth. Somehow you seem to have your facts wrong.

As for religion, many business professionals quote ‘religious’ sayings daily and don’t even know it. There is a reason religion has survived all these 1000′s of years.

How can that question be offensive? What does it matter? It’s not like admission depended on the answer. I’m quite sure it doesn’t matter…there are a LOT more offensive things done by schools than a stupid question about how my kid was born.

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Being delivered vaginally can also affect a child’s health. Forceps delivery is in fact much riskier for infants than c-section delivery. And yet that is not on the questionnaire.

I live in a developed country and have never been asked any prenatal or birth related questions on a school application. I have been asked if the child has any medical issues. That’s it.

Apparently some white folks have been charged too much for the “caps lock” option . Does this story warrant a diatribe about taxation?

Statistics are what drives the Bush “no child left behind” program. Schools used to collect much less data. No if they dont collect data they lose funding.

The “no child left behind” concept hasn’t worked. It only involves testing to advance from one grade to the next. Teachers are forced to fill out more paperwork, concentrate on these children passing a test but don’t have time to teach.

The School is Violating HIPAA laws.

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1. Purple.

2. Purple

3. Blue

4. Purple…no…blue. Definitely red!….no wait! Purple. Yeah. Purple.

5. I want to “Phone a friend”.

Most school leadership smacks of really dumb people masquerading as good teachers and role models.

hahahahahah we accept

Simple! The stork brought me to my parents!

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