Principal Criticized For Delivering Graduation Speech In Spanish

ZEPHYR COVE, Nev. (CBS13) — He congratulated the graduating class of 2011, but one principal’s commencement speech actually offended some in the crowd.

The graduating class at Whittell High School has only 30 students. Just a few weeks ago during graduation their principal gave an encouraging speech congratulating his students and their parents.

“Class of 2011, I want to congratulate you for all your accomplishments this year,” said Principal Crespin Esquivel.

He then said the same thing in Spanish, making sure his commencement speech could also be understood by his Spanish speaking parents and students who make up the second-largest group of the school.

“I figured why not do it in Spanish? I think it’s important for me to make sure all the families feel comfortable,” said Esquivel.

Maria: You never meant to offend anyone, correct?

Esquival: Absolutely not.

But it appears he did. One woman who sat through both speeches wrote a letter to the editor in a local newspaper saying Esquival “crossed the line”, “was inappropriate” and “took away from the recognition the students deserved.”

Discussion: Should California schools have commencement speeches in both Spanish as well as English?

“[I] wouldn’t be offended. We’re a melting pot,” said one person we spoke with.

“No, I put my daughter in a school where she learns both English and Spanish,” said another person.

The woman who complained about Esquival’s Spanish translation sparked a debate online similar to one that has gotten national attention.

Tim Howard, a player on the U.S. Soccer team, created controversy after Saturday’s loss to Mexico during the gold cup final. Howard bashed tournament officials for allowing the award ceremony to be done in Spanish.

“To me we live in America and that’s the beauty of America, that we all bring our backgrounds our cultures our languages and that’s what makes us who we are,” said Esquival.

In California, Hispanics make up about half of the students.

Esquival, in his first year as principal at Whittell, believes that if he’s got a tool to reach out to students and their parents, then why not use it?

“I’m doing what is right for all my families and I know I’ll take a hit for it, but it won’t stop me from doing what’s right for my families,” he said.

Esquival says he’ll probably do the same thing at next year’s commencement.

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  1. alfonsojr73 says:

    My high school’s commencement speech was done in 3 languages and I wasn’t offended, this woman needs to chill.

    1. Skitch1 says:

      And I’m sure your high school ranks low on the academic scale

      1. HaveRespect says:

        That’s a very mean, insensitive and unfounded comment. Shame on you.

      2. Tim Crowley says:

        What, exactly makes you so sure? Please be specific.

      3. readmylips says:

        I agree Skitch1. It would be interesting to check.

      4. JIm in Houston says:

        I agree and the reason your statement is probably correct is because the schools who cater to all these special interest groups take time away from teaching the basics, thus academic achievement suffers. Don’t let the loony lefty comments bother you .

      5. Curtis Quico Reed says:

        I searched in GreatSchools.org and found that there were NO scores available (except reading, and the school excelled in that area).

        I then searched here http://www.education.com/schoolfinder/us/nevada/zephyr-cove/george-whittell-high-school/?page=test-scores
        and found that they only had scores for 2007, but all scores in all areas were above state standards, yet slightly below district levels.

        In brief, the school appeared to be scoring well from 2007 to 2009. Interestingly, I cannot find detailed scores for 2009 or 2010.

      6. Curtis Quico Reed says:

        Correction School Digger has details for their math.

        Sorry to disappoint you, Skitch, but the school scores very high
        http://www.schooldigger.com/go/NV/schools/0009000122/school.aspx?entity=54&subentity=162

      7. Rick says:

        Only in teabagger America does knowing things make you a bad person.

        Can’t you morons find some other country to ruin?

      8. rordriquez says:

        3 reasons why your wrong Skitch!
        1, You’re an A hole.
        2. You’re an A hole, and
        3. You’re an A hole! Enuf sed!! ;o)

      9. StanleyBing says:

        “Only in teabagger America does knowing things make you a bad person.”

        No Rick, the problem isn’t “knowing things”, it’s in NOT knowing English.We’re changing this nation to favor people who refuse to speak English.

      10. Keith Decker says:

        right on skitchy

      11. Juan says:

        So, here is another instance whereby Americans are required to follow the laws of America, but foreigner’s living here don’t (even the illegal aliens). For example, if some people are speaking Spanish in a group of English speaking Americans how do we know that they are not perpetrating hate speech? So, in this example hate speech law only applies to the American’s speaking our language in our country–English. How do we know they are not planning some crime, we can’t understand them, etc. How do we know they are not sexually harassing our wife’s or daughters or threatening us, etc? Many of our laws only apply to American’s. Another example of American’s being discriminated against in America.

    2. erp says:

      I should hope that by graduating high school– you have learned to speak English. That is why the speech should not be traslated. If someone cannot understand the principal’s speech in English then they shouldn’t be allowed to graduate!

      1. HaveRespect says:

        The article clearly states it was translated so the parents of some of the graduates could understand what was being said. Parents who are probably working 3 jobs, struggling to pay the bills, to make a better life for their children. To then see their child graduate from High School has got to feel excited and proud! Kudos to the sensitive and intelligent principal!!

      2. gobnait says:

        Haverepsect: That argument doesn’t hold water. Do you think conditions were any less difficult for others who emigrated here a hundred years ago? In fact things were exponentially harder for those folks yet they managed to learn the language and assimilate. They didn’t have ANY of our modern conveniences that today’s immigrants enjoy yet they succeeded, all four of my LEGAL immigrant grandparents and LEGAL immigrant husband included

      3. Curtis Quico Reed says:

        HaveRespect: I understand your perspective, but I’m also sure there are Chinese parents who didn’t understand in English OR Spanish…was he also supposed to translate to Mandarin? Or just let them wonder what he said?

        That’s the deal about this “inclusiveness” effort: it’s only inclusive in ONE direction. The result is that he sends a message that the Hispanic (mostly Mexican) residents are more important than the rest.

        English is the common language that we ALL use here to communicate. Or doyou expect the Chinese and Russian and Italian and Arab immigrants to learn Spanish as well as English just because it would be “nice” to not expect our Hispanic immigrants to learn English?

        My Latina wife (immigrant from South America) is insulted by the idea that liberals perpetuate: that Hispanics are the only immigrant group too stupid to learn English. And as a University Professor who taught English to Hispanics, she knows what she’s talking about.

        And how is it FAIR to American citizens that a foreign language is REQUIRED in order to graduate from High School, but learning English is NOT requireed of the immigrants?

        It sounds to me like you think everyone should “be nice” to the Hispanics because they aren’t smart enough to learn English. Well I think they are.

        Palabra.

      4. HaveRespect says:

        I think we should have compassion for everyone trying to make a living here. People forget that if you take this rhetoric seriously about “learning the language” or “assimilate” then by golly, we all need to learn Dakota, Cheyenne, Navajo, Apache… depending on where you are living right now in what is the USA. Stop all the arrogant hypocrisy of forcing people to ‘assimilate’ when our ancestors did NOT assimilate… the forced European culture and Anglo language on the existing inhabitants and terrorized and massacred those that did not abide by our forced standards. The root of all this current hatred and bigotry is that many Americans are afraid new immigrants might treat / threaten / change us like our ancestors did to the original inhabitants of this land… and yes, I am well aware this posting will spark a lot of hate-filled bigoted comments against me. No, I’m not a liberal. I’m a very successful, conservative, self-employed businessman that has learned other languages to improve my success in my own business. I reach out to anyone in as many languages that I can afford to learn because it increases my bottom line. You nay sayers can sink or swim.

      5. Ali Alexander says:

        HaveRespect, if Native Americans had had a country with ONE Language, they would have been better off. As you post points out, they were NOT united and thus fell to the invaders (and note that those invaders were led by the SPANISH who founded the oldest European settlement in the US).

      6. mauibucky says:

        erp, did you graduate from high school? Did you pass reading comprehension? Read the article again; the Principal was speaking Spanish for the benefit of the parents of the students. Nowhere in the article does it mention students only able to speak Spanish. It’s bad enough that we show our ignorance by insisting all speak the only language WE know, but you compound that ignorance by not knowing the facts here.

      7. Jon Weiss says:

        HaveRespect,
        ” Kudos to the sensitive and intelligent principal!!”

        Actually…NO!
        The predominiant language of the U.S. is English. People should learn English if they wish to live here. During my days living in Europe the schools taught English, but there was NO ONE tripping over themselves to learn English simply to accomodate English speakers, nore were they going to any great pains to translate every action. Nor should anyone here be tripping over themselves to learn Spanish to accomodate a population that is quite largely (estimates of 12 million at present) in violation of our laws in being here. I wonder how many other nations in the world would be so accepting of such an invading group? Maybe you could move to Mexico and ask them to accomiodate you in the manner you advocate that the US accomodate Hispanics here?

      8. Ginger Reese says:

        What about the parents & grandparents.

    3. dianetan says:

      Same with my son’s — English, Spanish, Vietnamese. We thought it was interesting.

    4. cmcc85 says:

      it shouldn’t be easy to live ANYWHERE without knowing the predominant language. period.

    5. readmy says:

      The principal lives and works in America. We have not changed our majority language yet. He was wrong to present his speech in any language except English. If the students are graduating, don’t you think they should be able to understand English? I would have been offended.

      1. mauibucky says:

        readmy, study the history of Neveda and the surrounding states. English was not the majority language, Spanish was.

      2. R.Larson says:

        mauibucky, the official language of the USA has always been English.

    6. gobnait says:

      Good for you. The woman who objected is every bit as entitled to her feelings as you are and she absolutely does not need to ‘chill’. YOU would do well to understand that her opinion is differen, not wrong.

    7. Linda says:

      I agree alfonsojr. We are a bi-lingual country now .. get used to it. Now we need to make sure our kids learn Chines, Arabic or Russian as well … so we may have a chance of keeping up as the world evolves.

      1. RLA Bruce says:

        Wrong! We are an English-speaking country, period! In Chinatown they speak Chinese, in parts of Chicago they speak Laos, or Spanish, or Italian. The country as a whole speaks English. France speaks French, but areas of France speak Arabic, or Italian, or whatever.

        Bilingual? English is one; what do you select for the other? And why do you disrespect the other dozens of languages by excluding THEM? Who are YOU to decide?

      2. Curtis Quico Reed says:

        This is typical of the liberal mindset: WE must REQUIRE OUR CHILDREN to learn other languages (which is good), but we must NOT require immigrants to learn our national language (which is bad).

        No one in the world would ever expect to emmigrate to any nation in the world and have THAT nation bend over backwards to speak to the immigrants in their language. But that’s what the mexicans (and ONLY the mexicans) expect of the USA.

        Pretty stupid, really.

      3. StanleyBing says:

        “We are a bi-lingual country now…”

        Says who?

      4. Tom the Red says:

        band wagon, band wagon, band wagon

    8. RRR says:

      What country were you in, Africa?

    9. joe says:

      It’s funny.The Reporter is a Roach also.

    10. StanleyBing says:

      Let’s see some evidence.

  2. GReno says:

    “To me we live in America and that’s the beauty of America: that we all bring our backgrounds our cultures our languages and that’s what makes us who we are,” said Esquival. Sounds great except English is the official U.S. language and in regards to what makes this nation great is people come to this country from all over the World, from all walks of life for a reason! Either to genuinely benifit from “The Great Experiment” or escaping from tyrant rulars that seem to plague the World, or to under the banner of America’s generousity, pillage her for all its worth since their true loyalty is with his/ hers home land!

    1. Reality says:

      GReno says: “Sounds great except English is the official U.S. language”

      No it isn’t. Educate yourself.

      ——

      “and in regards to what makes this nation great is people come to this country from all over the World, from all walks of life for a reason!”

      For what? To speak English? LOL

      You realize that we are a melting pot, yet can’t utilize your critical thinking skills to comprehend that is precisely why we don’t have an official national language.

      ——-

      “Either to genuinely benifit from “The Great Experiment” or escaping from tyrant rulars that seem to plague the World, or to under the banner of America’s generousity, pillage her for all its worth since their true loyalty is with his/ hers home land!”

      LOL… this was classic… you talk about English being the supposed official language and yet you can’t even be proficient in it. It is “benefit” not “benifit.” It is “rulers” not “rulars.” It is “generosity” not “generousity.”

      Cheers!

      1. David says:

        We are no longer a melting pot, but a chamber pot.

      2. jeff says:

        And the chamber pot is being pi$$ed in!

      3. Nixon says:

        I can tell you haven’t been to Miami lately.

        Try visiting Hialeah (where all the Cubans live). The official language practically is Spanish.

      4. d tyler says:

        i agree

      5. Curtis Quico Reed says:

        Your arguments melt into nothing upon a brief examination.

        Liberals ALWAYS talk about “inclusiveness” and state that we are “a melting pot”.
        But then they say that everyone should speak their own national language–a suggestion that is EXCLUSIVE by definition, since Americans don’t speak Russian or Mandarin or Bengali.

        So imagine a party where you have all these nationalities together. If they are all speaking their indivdual languages, they are being EXCLUSIVE not inclusive. For it to be INCLUSIVE they must all settle on one language. That language in the USA is ENGLISH.

        Just because the constitution does not declare English as the national language does not mean that it is not. Travel anywhere in the world (except Mexico) and ask them what the national language of the USA is, and they will tell you ENGLISH.

        Only the Mexicans will try to change that, but for POLITICAL reasons, NOT for “inclusiveness”. Rather, it is their way of trying to reclaim lost territory.

      6. Realtiy says:

        Curtis Quico Reed writes: “Your arguments melt into nothing upon a brief examination.”

        OK, if you say so. LOL

        ——-

        “Liberals ALWAYS talk about “inclusiveness” and state that we are “a melting pot”.

        I’m a registered Republican. Nice try.

        ——-

        “But then they say that everyone should speak their own national language–a suggestion that is EXCLUSIVE by definition, since Americans don’t speak Russian or Mandarin or Bengali”

        LOL… they don’t? There’s a large Russian contingent here in the Bay Area.

        ——-

        “For it to be INCLUSIVE they must all settle on one language.”

        That is simply not true.

        ——

        “That language in the USA is ENGLISH.”

        That language in the USA depends upon WHERE you are located in the USA. In some areas, that might be a Native American language. In parts of Alaska, it might be an Eskimo language. In Louisiana, it might be French. In some smaller farming towns in the Southwest, it might be Spanish. Etc, etc, etc.

        ——

        “Just because the constitution does not declare English as the national language does not mean that it is not.”

        If it were included in the Constitution, then we’d have a national language.

        The facts are simple: There is no national language. The Founding Fathers didn’t impose a national language because obviously they didn’t think it was a good idea.

        —–

        “Travel anywhere in the world (except Mexico) and ask them what the national language of the USA is, and they will tell you ENGLISH.”

        Ah, I see… so if other people are wrong about something in bulk, then that makes it correct in your mind. Sweet!!!

        —–

        “Only the Mexicans will try to change that, but for POLITICAL reasons, NOT for “inclusiveness”. Rather, it is their way of trying to reclaim lost territory.”

        The irony is that the white folks here that are trying to force English in as a national language will only ENCOURAGE Mexicans one day to try and enforce Spanish as that language. Quite honestly, if I were Mexican, I’d try to change it just to be a thorn to all of the xenophobes that were so afraid of change.

        If someone has an Italian grandmother that doesn’t speak any English living here, that is acceptable, but if it is a Mexican person doing the same, then they are somehow lazy, with low IQ’s, farm workers in the eyes of many. It is a double standard.

        Regarding them wanting to reclaim their land, I wrote the following paragraphs elsewhere to someone else some time ago:

        Let’s also not forget that land was taken from Mexico only about 150 years ago that now makes up all or parts of the modern day states of: California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming and Texas.

        The facts are that Mexicans are both our neighbors and our friends. The facts are that this land was theirs not so long ago. The facts are that most of their ancestors were here before most of our ancestors. The facts are that illegal labor is beneficial to the economy. The facts are that we can NEVER, EVER stop illegal immigration. Thus, a reasonable person would conclude that the answer is to work to find a feasible solution that would replace the current inept system that is in place.

        For the record, there is actually a fair amount of resentment by certain sections of Mexico’s population about that land being taken from them. Consider that if California were its own nation, it would rank somewhere between the 5th to 7th largest economy in the world. Texas would rank somewhere between #8 and #10.

        I know that most people in America don’t want to admit it, but without California and Texas, this country wouldn’t be the same. In 2005, California’s GDP was more than TWICE that of all of Mexico. The United States taking the lands of California and Texas alone will pay for all the “illegal” immigration costs (border patrol, healthcare, etc) for thousands of years (based on how much those territories have already benefitted the United States economically).

        So we have “legally” taken all of this land and yet the Native Americans live on POS pieces of real estate and many Mexicans live in poverty ridden barrios. But since we took it “legally” (based on rules we made up), I guess that makes it all fine and dandy.

        Wars happen. Land gets taken. It is the way of the world. But at the same time, for a country that prides itself on being a land of immigrants who welcomes the downtrodden, we have a funny way of showing it if you are a Mexican or a Native American.

        The land is ours now, it no longer belongs to the Native Americans (sans the reservations which is semi-sovereign federal territory) nor to the Mexicans. However, that doesn’t mean that we can’t cut them some slack and give them some added opportunities… both because the land was once theirs and because of their close proximity.

        Cheers!

      7. bobrsta says:

        @ Realtiy

        “For the record, there is actually a fair amount of resentment by certain sections of Mexico’s population about that land being taken from them. Consider that if California were its own nation, it would rank somewhere between the 5th to 7th largest economy in the world. Texas would rank somewhere between #8 and #10.”

        Mexico’s is the 13th largest, according to Wikipedia. With all their coastline and oil, they’re a destitute Nation controlled by gangsters corrupt politicians. So, I don’t understand your pointing out of the relative ranking of the economies, unless its to show that the size of the area doesn’t matter but, rather, the industriousness and education of the people that inhabit it. And coming to THIS country, legally or illegally, and not learning English, shows a distinct lack of desire to assimilate or do the work necessary to improve one’s economic status.

      8. Reality says:

        bobrsta writes: “Mexico’s is the 13th largest, according to Wikipedia. With all their coastline and oil, they’re a destitute Nation controlled by gangsters corrupt politicians. So, I don’t understand your pointing out of the relative ranking of the economies, unless its to show that the size of the area doesn’t matter but, rather, the industriousness and education of the people that inhabit it.”

        First off, thank you for presenting a post that was actually thought out. It is a refreshing change from many of the people here.

        With that said, you present a valid point about Mexico’s #13 ranking. I haven’t looked it up, but will trust that your number is accurate. What I was attempting to say was more on a philosophical level. For instance, if Mexico had Texas and California back, the delta between our two nations might not be as vast as it is today. This would have meant far more jobs for Mexico, far more revenue, etc while of course having the opposite effect of far fewer jobs, far less revenue, etc for the US.

        I agree with what you are saying about “gangsters and corrupt politicians” when it comes to Mexico, but is that really so much different than what we have here? Our “gangsters” are the special interest groups, the Wall Street powers that be, the lawyers, the insurance companies, etc, etc, etc. And of course in our early days as a country, we had “gangs” that dominated certain areas and in our lifetime groups like the Mafia dominated certain areas of the country. Our corrupt politicians are still corrupt politicians. 😉

        The reality is that kids that have uneducated parents that can’t help them in the learning process and/or those that live in impoverished neighborhoods with substandard schools are at a major disadvantage despite the utopian ideal that someone can self-educate. If Mexico had Cali and Texas back, perhaps they’d have better schools, with more people having “solid” jobs and creating parents who are more “worldly” and eventually better educated. Or of course, things could stay the same or get worse, but I suspect things would have improved for them just as things would have deteriorated for us.

        Stop and imagine for just one second if when you grew up, your parents were illiterate. Say that they never went to high school. Say that your parents worked picking produce in the fields. Say that your parents didn’t even speak English. Do you honestly think that you’d be in the same place educationally wise as you are now? The answer is that more than likely you would not. You would be at a HUGE disadvantage. And while you can say that you could have always gone to college and educated yourself, someone at that large of a disadvantage might not ever fully recognize the importance of an education in the first place.

        I was extremely fortunate to have grown up in an educated family, with my father a self-made successful businessman, with a stay-at-home mother who went over my homework with me every single night and explained mistakes I had made. However, hubris doesn’t prevent me from realizing that if I grew up in a crack house, with only one parent, who was uneducated and I went to a poor school, that my odds of being educated at the level I am at today are miniscule. The odds that I get hooked into a world of drugs and underachievement would lurk over every dark corner. Would I like to think that I’d be in the same place as I am now? Sure. However, I am not afraid to face a harsh reality.

        ———-

        “And coming to THIS country, legally or illegally, and not learning English, shows a distinct lack of desire to assimilate or do the work necessary to improve one’s economic status”

        I agree and disagree. I agree with the overall gist you are attempting to get across. I slightly disagree that not assimilating shows a lack of desire. In fact, I’d argue that these people who risk everything to come here to make a better life for themselves and their families show an immense desire. Remember, improving one’s economic status in the US while coming from Mexico isn’t the same as you or I trying to improve our economic status. Picking produce in the fields is an economic upgrade for many of them. Many of these people also self-sacrifice their own lives so that their children will have better lives and so their kids can learn English.

        Below is the story of a family of “illegal” immigrants that sent their son to MIT by collecting 8 MILLION aluminum cans and he’s now working in the defense industry. Should we send these people back or are they just the epitome of the American Dream? Many of the people here would say send them all back. I say let them stay because they are EXACTLY the kind of people America needs… hard working, dedicated, creative people wanting to do their best and succeeding against all odds… and America as a whole is benefitting as a result.

        http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=1787254

        In any event, thanks for a quality post with a respectful tone and I hope I have reciprocated it.

        Cheers!

      9. Reality says:

        bobrsta… in addition to what I wrote above, the remaining paragraphs below come from a post I did elsewhere (not directed at you) which I think may address a few of your points indirectly as well:

        People are so quick to slam the door shut on other cultures from entering the US. If they are not Native American, then they are somehow an immigrant via one form or another. Thus, they were given an opportunity at a better life in America…. Therefore, for them not to afford that exact same opportunity to another immigrant who wants it is hypocritical. That is the antithesis of what America is all about. We are a land of opportunity, not non-opportunity.

        From the New Colossus inside the Statue of Liberty:

        Give me your tired, your poor = America welcomes not only the rich, but also the hard working lower class.

        Your huddled mas-ses yearning to breathe free = America welcomes those who desire a new life filled with freedoms.

        The wretched refuse of your teeming shore = America welcomes those that are considered worthless in abundance.

        Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me = Send all of the above that have been beaten down by their adversaries to America.

        I lift my lamp beside the golden door! = All of the above are welcome in America where they will be given the opportunities and freedoms that they would not have elsewhere.

        The vast majority of Americans think that the “illegal” immigrants should just follow “legal” protocols. That would be great if they were practical. However that is like saying that a woman should be able to walk down the streets of Harlem naked at 2 am in the morning by herself and not be assaulted. While yes, that should be the case, but in reality it is just naive to think that.

        The people that make it into this country are almost always those who either have “connections” or those who can afford high priced attorneys to get them in. “Little Pablo” who is hoping to be able to eat tomorrow and lives in a cardboard “house” in Mexico probably doesn’t have the education nor the means to ever become a US citizen. Thus, the United States is turning its back on giving Pablo that opportunity. So instead, he takes the opportunity himself and sneaks across the border hoping for a better life for him and his family. That spirit of hard work, ingenuity and inspiration is what makes America great.

        Even people who have lived here for years as permanent residents have a very difficult time of becoming citizens and it can take decades to do so.

        Yet when we have a chance to get some BS Olympic medal, a special act of Congress can get pas-sed and signed by the President to make Tanith Belbin a US Citizen in time for the Olympic games. Who is more worthy of being a citizen… Tanith who has been a lifelong Canadian or an illegal immigrant (we’ll call him Juan) who has lived in the US for 20 years contributing to the economy? Too bad for Juan that there were no ice rinks in his Mexican barrio.

        As you can see, becoming a citizen is a B-S process that is reserved for those who have the means and the connections to make it in.

        And let’s also not forget that we have brave men and women serving in our armed forces right now that are also not United States citizens. There are roughly 30,000 non-citizens serving in our military and many of them are getting citizenship posthumously. Heck, you can risk your life and die to defend this country and not even be a citizen? Yep, Little Pablo stands a great chance of being a citizen very, very soon. ((roll eyes))

        What the “illegal immigrant” argument is really about in this country is simply xenophobia. This is precisely why Americans are SO concerned about a fence along the Mexican border in the name of “National Security” and the inference that we need to “protect” our borders from terrorists. “Amazingly” the 1,950 mile border of Mexico is a top priority, yet the 5,000 mile border with Canada isn’t a big deal. I’m sure skin color and the language barrier has nothing to do with that.

        Then people say how the illegal immigrants are costing American taxpayers money and jobs. This is yet another excuse to mask Americans’ xenophobia. The realities are that if every single “illegal” immigrant left the country tomorrow, our entire economy would collapse spiraling us into a major depression.

        *** Do “illegal” immigrants cost Americans money? Yes.
        *** Do “illegal” immigrants generate money for Americans? Yes.
        *** In the end, the benefits of having the illegal immigrants outweighs the cost of having them for many reasons. The vast majority of economists agree as well.

        The people that suffer from the “illegal” immigrants are those workers that are American citizens who are generally young and unskilled. However, I’ll offer up that an equal argument can be made that the people who are costing these young, unskilled workers these jobs are not the “illegal immigrants,” but rather the young, unskilled workers themselves.

        If you grow up in this country as a citizen, then you are afforded every opportunity to change your social status. People who remain in the “unskilled” category usually (not always, but usually) are there due to choices they have made FOR THEMSELVES in their lives. Perhaps it was being more concerned with sports or video games than their education. Perhaps it was choosing to have sexual relations that resulted in becoming a parent far too early. Perhaps it was choosing to commit crime that has left them with criminal records that make it difficult to find quality employment. Etc, etc, etc. If these people had made different choices, chose to make education their number one priority, chose to stay out of trouble, worked hard to gain the necessary skills and mentorship to succeed, then they would never be in that position in the first place. So if those people blew their chance at the American Dream and there are some other hard working people that want to have the American Dream for their own, then more power to them as that is the exact spirit that America was forged upon.

        Cheers!

      10. carram says:

        please take yourselves and your english language back to england where you originally came from europeans

      11. Bobby says:

        It’s not Geno that needs educating, it’s you that needs an attitude adjustment. Americans have been speaking English, ENGLISH, nitwit, for over TWO HUNDRED YEARS AND WE LIKE IT THAT WAY, WHETHER IT’S “OFFICIAL”.OR NOT. Illegal immigration isn’t OFFICIAL, and yet it doesn’t stop ilegal aliens from breaking into this nation, does it?

      12. Reality says:

        Bobby writes: “It’s not Geno that needs educating, it’s you that needs an attitude adjustment.”

        LMAO!!! You are hilarious!!!

        “Americans have been speaking English, ENGLISH, nitwit, for over TWO HUNDRED YEARS AND WE LIKE IT THAT WAY, WHETHER IT’S “OFFICIAL”.OR NOT.”

        Watch how easily I’ll make you look foolish: Americans have been speaking English, Gaelic, German, French, Spanish, Dutch, etc ENGLISH, GAELIC, GERMAN, FRENCH, SPANISH, DUTCH, ETC nitwit, for over TWO HUNDRED YEARS AND WE LIKE IT THAT WAY, WHETHER IT’S “OFFICIAL”.OR NOT.

        Your comment was laughable. Your “logic” is that since it is “old” then that is how it should be. If that’s the case, then we should all be speaking the dialects of the original indigenous peoples of the “Americas.”

        Speaking of Europeans, common belief is the first one to the “Americas” was Christopher Columbus. He was from Italy. Thus, perhaps we should all be speaking in his native tongue.

        But before Columbus, Leif Ericson and the Vikings made it to the Americas (modern day Canada) around 500 years before Columbus. Thus, perhaps we should all be speaking in his native tongue.

        Or if we want to talk about the guy for whom the Americas are named, that would be Amerigo Vespucci who was Italian again. Thus, perhaps we should all be speaking in his native tongue.

        In fact, SPANISH explorers were likely the first to enter what is today the United States. Thus, perhaps we should all be speaking Spanish.

        Moreover, the first permanent European settlement in the modern day United States is in St. Augustine, Florida by Pedro Menéndez de Avilés. This was after Ponce de Leon claimed it decades earlier and after the French had explored it as well. Guess what language they spoke? LOL

        Additionally, in terms of Europeans, the Spanish explored the vast majority of what is the United States first. Guys like de Soto and Coronado are well known by American students today. Do you ever stop and wonder why a huge percentage of California cities are named “San” and “Santa?” Those are the Spanish terms for “Saint.” San goes with male saints and Santa goes with female saints.

        In fact, in 1776…. you know the year the Declaration of Independence was signed…. the Spanish were busy founding San Francisco. LMAO

        But hey, you probably thought all the Spanish names in California were named by illegal Mexicans.

        ————-

        “Illegal immigration isn’t OFFICIAL, and yet it doesn’t stop ilegal aliens from breaking into this nation, does it?”

        LOL!!!!!! Based on your “logic” above, then there is no need to make English OFFICIAL.

        Let’s just cut to the chase here… you are a xenophobic individual who tries to come up with excuse after excuse as to why we need to be English only. You live in some delusional fantasy world where you think the early settlers sat around all speaking English like in some movie. You think that the newly formed American citizens back in 1776 were all sitting around conversing in English like today. The realities are that they were sitting around speaking in their native tongue which could have been English, Italian, German, etc. If someone was bilingual, then they were at an advantage.

        Columbus back in 1492 wrote about the people in the Americas that he came in contact with when he stated: “They ought to make good & skilled servants, for they repeat very quickly whatever we say to them. I think they can very easily be made Christians, for they seem to have no religion. If it pleases our Lord, I will take six of them to Your Highnesses when I depart, in order that they may learn our language.”

        The irony here is that clowns like you and many other white, right-wing xenophobes LOVE what Columbus said because deep down inside that is precisely what you want. You want everyone to assimilate to how YOU like it. You want those who don’t assimilate to be treated like second-class citizens because you think you are better than them. You pretend to be a patriotic American, yet you don’t understand the basic tenets that this country was founded upon… FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The Founding Fathers wanted FREEDOM. If they wanted English only as the official language, then they would have done so. But hey, I’m sure you know more than they did. LOL

        Congressman Ellison got sworn into office with a Qur’an with several years ago. Do you know where they got the Qur’an from? It was owned by the great Thomas Jefferson himself because the Founding Fathers believed in religious freedom. Jefferson himself spoke FIVE different languages and could read SEVEN languages. They’d be appalled by xenophobic simpletons like yourself who want everything one way and can’t utilize multi-dimensional critical thinking skills.

        In any event, enjoy your world of delusion and xenophobic perspective. Something to be proud of for sure.

        Cheers!

    2. Nobama says:

      GReno, English is not the official language………although it should be………if you want to speakspanish back to Mexico.

      1. Cornbiker says:

        I’d have to say English is the official language.. our laws are written in English, our currency is written in English, our government is run in English, our Constitution is written in English.. our politicians benefits are written in English.. yet our worthless politicians will not make English the official language and allow our flag to be burnt.. Maybe we should send our politicians to Mexico..

      2. Marcus Porcius says:

        They don’t even speak Spanish in Mexico. Mexican is the Spanish Ebonics. Just ask anyone from Spain.

      3. Curtis Quico Reed says:

        Marcus, your comment was ignorant and racist. Mexican Spanish is NOT “the Spanish ebonix”. What a moron.
        First of all, there is no such thing as a language called “Spanish”. The language you call “Spanish” is actually a dialect known as Castillian. But there are many other dialects in Spain, all of them equal, though different.
        Latin American dialects are no less valid than the Castillian. However, they also contain African and Native American words.
        This does not make them any less valid than Castillian, and many would argue that they are as vibrant or more so than Castillian. Personally, I enjoy the variation between them without disparaging them as “ebonix”–clearly a racial dig.
        And as far as dialects go, Mexican Spanish is one of the more clear, easy to understand and properly spoken dialects.

      4. carram says:

        take your english back to england european

    3. Tim Crowley says:

      GReno – this is a FREE country – we don’t have an official language. You get to speak whatever language you want – but you may never, ever tell me what to say or what language to say it in. .

      1. don't_cry says:

        yes – true. As long as I’m not paying for your forum, I can choose to ignore you.
        (like what I have chosen to do starting now Timmy)

    4. HaveRespect says:

      … and intelligent people know that the more languages you learn in life, the more opportunities and experiences and expressions you add to your life. The naysayers that try so hard stifle that growth need to get out of the way. All first generation immigrants struggle with English and if someone shows compassion towards them and provides a way for them to experience the best of America then kudos to him/her.

      1. GMan says:

        And really intelligent people understand the simplest path to assimilation into a new area is to learn the host language quickly. Enabling that not to happen does more harm than good. Everyone understands it is terrific to speak multiple languages, but not to see the advantage of understanding and speaking English in the US is profoundly stupid. It makes your day to day life easier; communnicating with others easier; understanding the news easier; understanding the weather easier; understanding everything here eaiser; getting a job eaiser. Enabling others not to have to learn the host language is oppressive and keeps them in the often unenviable status quo. We have spent nearly 50 trillion dollars enabling African American via job preference, academic preference, quotas, every financial aid under the son…to what result? The same challenges (50% HS grad rates, 70% fatherless rates, high teen age pregnancies….) exist as 50 years ago. Perhaps these programs did more to enable the behavior because it definitely didn’t seem to change it. Parents who come here and make it job one to learn English, tend to have children that succeed in school, college, and life. Those who tend not to, tend to have much lower success rates. Being nice doesn’t mean being easy.

      2. d tyler says:

        have respect
        I came to this country speaking only German when I was 8-within 1 yr without special tutors at school I had skipped a grade and half and was fluent in English. I have seen what happens when we allow another language to take over. Go to Miami and see what has happened to our language and our culture. They no longer exist, Miami is the outpost `for Cuba and South America. They did not invade militarily they conquered by influx. Soon we will be another third rate Spanish speaking copy of Mexico.

      3. Ali Alexander says:

        By the way, I saw a video today about the first Latino valedictorian at a high school in Reading, PA. The parents were interviewed and even though they’d been here at least 10 years (and were apparently here legally somehow, since the son is a citizen but was born in Mexico) the interview was in Spanish with English subtitles. Now, the parents may have pushed education for their son but they sure don’t seem to have made their own priority learning English.

      4. Curtis Quico Reed says:

        That’s fine, Have Respect, I happen to speak three fluently and a couple of others “conversationally”.

        But were I to move to Italy, Spain, Brazil, Venezuela, etc I would NEVER expect those nations to adapt to speaking MY language.

        That is something ONLY the Mexicans do, for political reasons, and it is disrespectful, they know it, and we know it. Hence the hostility.

    5. Bobby says:

      Just watch the Esquival types, when more and more Mexicans enter the U.S. He will turn on non-Spanish speakers with a vengeance. I personally don’t trust Mexicans in the American school system, because the left has so convinced them that most Americans are bigots and racists and they should stand up and take the country. And then, the Mexican President said not long ago, “wherever there are Mexicans that’s Mexico. DON’T SOME OF YOU LEFTIST MORONS ON THIS BLOG GET IT YET?

    6. Reality says:

      Bobby writes: “It’s not Geno that needs educating, it’s you that needs an attitude adjustment.”

      LMAO!!! You are hilarious!!!

      “Americans have been speaking English, ENGLISH, nitwit, for over TWO HUNDRED YEARS AND WE LIKE IT THAT WAY, WHETHER IT’S “OFFICIAL”.OR NOT.”

      Watch how easily I’ll make you look foolish: Americans have been speaking English, Gaelic, German, French, Spanish, Dutch, etc ENGLISH, GAELIC, GERMAN, FRENCH, SPANISH, DUTCH, ETC nitwit, for over TWO HUNDRED YEARS AND WE LIKE IT THAT WAY, WHETHER IT’S “OFFICIAL”.OR NOT.

      Your comment was laughable. Your “logic” is that since it is “old” then that is how it should be. If that’s the case, then we should all be speaking the dialects of the original indigenous peoples of the “Americas.”

      Speaking of Europeans, common belief is the first one to the “Americas” was Christopher Columbus. He was from Italy. Thus, perhaps we should all be speaking in his native tongue.

      But before Columbus, Leif Ericson and the Vikings made it to the Americas (modern day Canada) around 500 years before Columbus. Thus, perhaps we should all be speaking in his native tongue.

      Or if we want to talk about the guy for whom the Americas are named, that would be Amerigo Vespucci who was Italian again. Thus, perhaps we should all be speaking in his native tongue.

      In fact, SPANISH explorers were likely the first to enter what is today the United States. Thus, perhaps we should all be speaking Spanish.

      Moreover, the first permanent European settlement in the modern day United States is in St. Augustine, Florida by Pedro Menéndez de Avilés. This was after Ponce de Leon claimed it decades earlier and after the French had explored it as well. Guess what language they spoke? LOL

      Additionally, in terms of Europeans, the Spanish explored the vast majority of what is the United States first. Guys like de Soto and Coronado are well known by American students today. Do you ever stop and wonder why a huge percentage of California cities are named “San” and “Santa?” Those are the Spanish terms for “Saint.” San goes with male saints and Santa goes with female saints.

      In fact, in 1776…. you know the year the Declaration of Independence was signed…. the Spanish were busy founding San Francisco. LMAO

      But hey, you probably thought all the Spanish names in California were named by illegal Mexicans.

      ————-

      “Illegal immigration isn’t OFFICIAL, and yet it doesn’t stop ilegal aliens from breaking into this nation, does it?”

      LOL!!!!!! Based on your “logic” above, then there is no need to make English OFFICIAL.

      Let’s just cut to the chase here… you are a xenophobic individual who tries to come up with excuse after excuse as to why we need to be English only. You live in some delusional fantasy world where you think the early settlers sat around all speaking English like in some movie. You think that the newly formed American citizens back in 1776 were all sitting around conversing in English like today. The realities are that they were sitting around speaking in their native tongue which could have been English, Italian, German, etc. If someone was bilingual, then they were at an advantage.

      Columbus back in 1492 wrote about the people in the Americas that he came in contact with when he stated: “They ought to make good & skilled servants, for they repeat very quickly whatever we say to them. I think they can very easily be made Christians, for they seem to have no religion. If it pleases our Lord, I will take six of them to Your Highnesses when I depart, in order that they may learn our language.”

      The irony here is that clowns like you and many other white, right-wing xenophobes LOVE what Columbus said because deep down inside that is precisely what you want. You want everyone to assimilate to how YOU like it. You want those who don’t assimilate to be treated like second-class citizens because you think you are better than them. You pretend to be a patriotic American, yet you don’t understand the basic tenets that this country was founded upon… FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The Founding Fathers wanted FREEDOM. If they wanted English only as the official language, then they would have done so. But hey, I’m sure you know more than they did. LOL

      Congressman Ellison got sworn into office with a Qur’an with several years ago. Do you know where they got the Qur’an from? It was owned by the great Thomas Jefferson himself because the Founding Fathers believed in religious freedom. Jefferson himself spoke FIVE different languages and could read SEVEN languages. They’d be appalled by xenophobic simpletons like yourself who want everything one way and can’t utilize multi-dimensional critical thinking skills.

      In any event, enjoy your world of delusion and xenophobic perspective. Something to be proud of for sure.

      Cheers!

  3. Roll Guy says:

    I doubt English is used in Spanish speaking countries for their speeches in place of Spanish. Same in France, Italy, Germany, etc. In America we speak English. Learn it or please leave and go back to your country and speak your language.

    1. HaveRespect says:

      uh… it does happen in other countries especially if it is known and English only speaking parent is in the crowd. I’ve lived and worked in many countries already. Some of them I’ve learned their language, others not. But I never get treated with the disrespect shown here on whether I learned their language or not. I’m the first one to know that I can excel much more if I learn the most common language in the country I’m in… it takes time, money and skills… not everyone has those three privileges. Other countries actually require more than one language to be learned in schools so their students can be higher educated and brought further away from ignorance. Many individuals in the US prefer stubborn ignorance out of fear of diversity.

      1. Marcus Porcius says:

        This is what we call “the big lie,” folks. Go to France, Germany, or any number of the EU countries and see how many official language there are. The correct answer is ONE. They teach multiple languages because so many countries are packed in together, and ironically for “HaveRespect,” each has its own official language so you need to know it or suffer disadvantage. If every state in America had its own language, we’d do it too. In other words, other countries do it out of NECESSITY, not out of some sort of superior enlightenment.

      2. gobnait says:

        In Europe one would be at a huge disadvantage NOT to learn several languages as travel and interaction between its various countries is inevitable. I too have lived abroad for extended periods of years on several continents and I can tell you that one cannot survive long term without learning the language. It is disrespectful and lazy to expect your hosts to accommodate your inability to communicate. That is unless you’re interacting with folks anxious to practice their English on you. Since English is the universal language of international business, science and medicine, it continues to grow in common usage and, ironically, we in this country are doing its immigrants a huge disservice by not requiring them to learn the language.

  4. Kel says:

    The principal said it english and Spanish.. What’s wrong with that since d majority of the students are Spanish speakers. You are guys are ignorant to think English only is the way to go.

    1. Rick Deaton says:

      Hey Kel., This is America! did you forget? We are just handing over everything that is right and letting foreigners come in tear our country apart because “they dont get treated right”. Conform or leave! And any born American who believes non-Americans should have rights here can get out too.

    2. Dave Wallace says:

      That right there is the problem. I have no issue with people for whom English is there second language, however if the majority of the students graduating from this high school speak better Spanish than they do English then the school has failed them.

      If we really believe in equal opportunity then we need to impress on them to learn English. Without it they will never have the same opportunities as the rest of us. Nor should they; in Germany or France you will never have the same opportunities unless you learn German and French. The more we cater to Spanish the less we push them towards learning English, which does them no favors.

      1. gkc says:

        Beautiful comment

  5. marc sac says:

    I need to remember this when I have kids not to send them to this school. Im moving away from this stuff as soon as possible. Hppies enjoy the neck tattoos and violent street murders. remember to be civil as your people eat you away.

    1. Reality says:

      Do us all a favor and don’t procreate. America will be better off without more people who are afraid of their own shadows.

      As far as “violent street murders,” pulling up stats from 2009, California ranked #19 in murders per capita. Out of every 100,000 people, only 5.3 of them were murdered.

      In fact, according to the CDC statistics in 2007, there were 18,361 homicides in the US. Compare that to:

      43,945 deaths by motor vehicles.
      29,846 deaths by accidental poisoning.
      23,199 deaths that were alcohol induced.

      Get a grip!!!! The reality is that the household chemicals under your sink or in your garage are more likely to kill someone you know than getting gunned down in the street. You better not ever drive again and never take a sip of alcohol either.

      In any event, good luck with your move… it just creates more room for the rest of us.

      Cheers!

  6. Reality says:

    LOL… Listen to some of you uneducated dimwits….

    Here’s a newsflash for you: ENGLISH IS NOT THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF THE UNITED STATES!!!

    You speak like you are true American patriots and yet don’t even know one of the most basic tenets of our country. Do you know why there is no official language? It is because America consists of a melting pot of cultures.

    So please, educate yourselves before speaking and stop pretending that you actually know what you are talking about. By doing so, you are only placing your ignorance on full display for all to see.

    The “official” language(s) in the United States currently resides at the state level, not the federal level. In case you are wondering, at least one state has more than one official language and around half of them have no official language at all. In California, the official language is indeed English.

    And even still, California has done so via amending the state Constitution. This only means that official state docu-ments need to AT LEAST be in English. Thus, that is why when you go to the DMV, you can take your driving test in some 30+ languages.

    Cheers!

    1. illegals are Sponges says:

      Don’t know why,We would Cater to the Roach. All they do is bankrupt our States! worthless people.

      1. Reality says:

        illegals are Sponges writes: “Don’t know why,We would Cater to the Roach. All they do is bankrupt our States! worthless people.”

        Actually, as a whole, illegal immigrants HELP our economy. In fact, if we got rid of all the illegal immigrants today, our entire country would fall into a major depression.

        Cheers.

    2. Reality says:

      And just to give further credence to my post above, when I wrote this, it was like the 5th or 6th post here. Now as the day has progressed, we are at 800 comments and rising.

      Compare that to the next highest thread total listed, which is just barely over 100 comments about abortion.

      People are so INSANELY xenophobic that the fear of Spanish trumps even hot topic issues like abortion, a baby getting put in a microwave, etc, etc, etc. It is really quite absurd and pathetic.

      Here’s the reality people: English has become the de facto language of the world. Mandarin is the only language that is currently threatening English and that will likely never take hold globally like English will for a variety of reasons.

      Doing a quick search, as of right now, the most popular languages in terms of native speakers are:

      1) Mandarin: 845 million speakers
      2) Spanish: 329 million speakers
      3) English: 328 million speakers

      If we look at total language speaking (first, second, third languages, etc):

      1) English: 1.8 billion
      2) Chinese: 1.2 billion
      3) Spanish: 500 million

      The point being is that you do NOT need to be afraid like you are. Get a grip!!! Our Constitutional FREEDOMS (even those that may not directly apply to you) far supersede the “inconvenience” listening to another language from time to time.

      Cheers!

    3. Bobby says:

      You can also vote in Los Angeles in 32 languages. Is that a good thing? Does that bring people together? Really? Then we must be the exception to every country in the world and human nature to boot. Multiculturalsim HAS FAILED. IT HAS FAILED IN EUROPE AND IT HAS FAILED HERE.

      1. Reality says:

        Bobby writes: “You can also vote in Los Angeles in 32 languages. Is that a good thing?”

        Yes. People in a Constitutional Republic should make educated voting decisions. If they feel more comfortable in their native language, then so be it.

        —–

        “Does that bring people together? Really?”

        It encourages more people to vote, so yes.

        —–

        “Then we must be the exception to every country in the world and human nature to boot.”

        We are the exception and that’s what makes us great.

        ———

        “Multiculturalsim HAS FAILED. IT HAS FAILED IN EUROPE”

        Yeah, that’s why the European Union boasts one of the highest valued currencies. Big time fail indeed.

        —-

        “AND IT HAS FAILED HERE.”

        Yep, that’s probably why people are knocking our door to become citizens, not China’s.

        Cheers!

    4. Bobby says:

      Understand something. When foreign children go to school in Germany, or in France or in Greece, they speak German, French or Greek, NOT, the language of the nation they came from. MULTICULTURALISM IS DEAD IN EUROPE, THEY FINALLY REALIZE IT’S FAILED AND IT IS FAILING IN THE U.S. Only leftists continue to bother America with it.

      1. Reality says:

        Bobby writes: “Understand something. When foreign children go to school in Germany, or in France or in Greece, they speak German, French or Greek, NOT, the language of the nation they came from.”

        LOL…. have you even ever been to Europe? I’ve been to 6 different continents and the people in Europe tend to speak several languages rather well. It is not uncommon for people to be able to converse in 4, 5 or 6 different languages in Europe.

        —–

        “Only leftists continue to bother America with it.”

        I’m a registered Republican. Nice try.

        Cheers!

    5. Bobby says:

      Your’e kind of a nutty guy, aren’t you? Sure they declared English the official language in California. But you know damn well that Sacramento the Capitol of California, is infested with leftist democrats and Mexican Reconquistas, that have no intention of caring or even asserting that English is the official language of Calfiornia. Your’e a game player. Your’e a doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde type, aren’t you. You love the little mind games. Guess what you clown, NO ONE IS TAKING THE BAIT. Your’e most likely, an ignorant Mexican Nationalist buffoon.

  7. kola koker says:

    this is freaking america
    we speak english
    how rude
    im offended
    http://ethicalfutures.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/is-michele-bachman-a-serial-killer/

  8. Reality says:

    “this is freaking america
    we speak english:

    This is freaking America and apparently you don’t know very much about it.

    Cheers!

  9. Zzzzz says:

    Just because something offends you, doesn’t make it wrong.

    1. sonofissachar says:

      And just because you agree with something doesn’t make it right.

  10. GoBackOnThatLeakyBoatYouCameFrom says:

    spanish is one thing….but when they start saying their speechs in
    russian,chinese,etc…thats where I’ll draw a line. I don’t agree
    with even spanish but atleast that language has been around
    since this country was founded and even before that.

    1. Triple T says:

      I agree. It could be much worse.

    2. Bill says:

      Every language I know of has been around since before the founding of this country. Why was the Constituion, Declaration of Independence, etc. written in English?
      Just in case you did not know it one of the nine requirements for becoming a citizen are that you learn to read, write and speak English.
      http://immigration-law.freeadvice.com/citizenship/naturalization_requirements.htm

  11. Reality says:

    And not that it matters, but my ancestral lineage stems from Canada, not Mexico.

    With regard to Spanish, I’m not extremely proficient in it. I can speak some “Spanglish” which was enough to get me by in Europe and South America by picking up every third or fourth word and then guessing what they were trying to say.

    Thus, it is in my OWN best interest that we are an English only country. However, I value our country’s freedoms FAR more than I value a little bit of an inconvenience of seeing and hearing Spanish occasionally.

    Those of you that are afraid of it aren’t “Patriots,” but rather bigoted xenophobes who are afraid of people that don’t look like you and don’t sound like you. It is your lack of education that drives your fear. As Yoda says, “Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to Suffering.”

    From the tone of many people here, you have already superseded the “Fear” stage and are now hovering around the “Anger/Hate” level instead. Some of the posts here that were recently removed by the administrators were already at the “Suffering” stage… but they all start with fear.

    Cheers!

    1. circlingthedrain says:

      A freaking CANUCK. Go back to socialist Canada you knob.

      1. Reality says:

        circlingthedrain writes: “A freaking CANUCK. Go back to socialist Canada you knob.”

        No, I am an American citizen born and raised in California. I said that my “ancestral lineage stems from Canada.”

        Do you know what that means nitwit? Are you Native American? If not, then you have an ancestral lineage from elsewhere too. Get a clue you simpleton xenophobe.

        Cheers!

    2. Bigfoot says:

      What arrogance! You go throuugh and spell check others’ posts? Anyone with an opinion that differs from yours is a fool and living in fear. We are all really impressed with your vast knowledge.

      1. Scott says:

        YEAH!

        (you misspelled “through”)

        =)

      2. Curtis Quico Reed says:

        Looks like you need spellchecking.

      3. Reality says:

        Bigfoot writes: “What arrogance! You go throuugh and spell check others’ posts? Anyone with an opinion that differs from yours is a fool and living in fear. We are all really impressed with your vast knowledge.”

        LOL… it isn’t spell checking… it is about people who don’t know the difference between words which is an indicator as to intelligence. Spell checking is pointing out a typo such as you typing, “throuugh” which more than likely was a typo. I don’t use spell check when I type so I make typos as well, but I know the difference between “your” and “you’re.” The fact that you can’t make that connection is an indicator as to your own intelligence level or lack thereof.

        As far as people agreeing with me being xenophobes, it has nothing to do if people agree with me or not. The facts are that people are afraid of things that they aren’t comfortable with. The facts are that this country does not have an official national language. The facts are that this country has the right to freedom of speech (regardless of language). Etc, etc, etc.

        Put all of those items together and figure it out. Well, you probably won’t be able to figure it, but oh well.

        Cheers!

      4. Rick says:

        If teabaggers are going to flip out about English, they should at least learn how to spell it.

    3. Ghost says:

      Táthaigh tú féin go cineálta

      1. Reality says:

        Ghost writes: “Táthaigh tú féin go cineálta”

        Let me guess… you learned that from your Irish Priest during that overnight “campout” you had back when you were a child. He likened it to “stretching” before you got to play that “special” game he had planned for you called “Pin the Tail on the Donkey.” You of course being the obvious donkey.

        Cheers!

  12. Rafael says:

    All of us in the western U.S. should learn Chinese. That way we may be able to know our fate when we’re interned in FEMA camps. That is if you survive the initial attack.

  13. sean patriot says:

    You figured “why not do it in Spanish” when you should have been figuring “WHY do it in Spanish”

  14. suzyque says:

    I would just have gotten up and left.

    1. Tim Crowley says:

      Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

      1. Bandido says:

        TIMOTHEE: Why deeed you say door when you could have said puerta?

    2. Rick says:

      And I would have laughed at you.

      1. StanleyBing says:

        And we wouldn’t have cared.

  15. taid says:

    If the folks in the audience are naturalized immigrants they should know english, as that is a requirement to become a citizen.

  16. Ray Redondo says:

    Yes, because we wouldn’t want to delve into how the students did in their english proficiency. You really wouldn’t want schools to actually prepare minority students to succed in the United States. Just keep them at the Lowest Common Denominator level.

  17. LOLBERALS says:

    Remember when a melting pot meant people actually melded into society? Not sat like oil on water?

    If they don’t assimilate there can’t be a melting pot.

    1. JustAGuy says:

      This is the result of the balkanization of the United States fostered by the Democrat party.

      The Bible says a house divided cannot stand. The United States is doomed if we keep going this way.

      1. Marcus Porcius says:

        “The United States is doomed if we keep going this way.” And that is exactly the idea. Just ask MEChA.

      2. Rick says:

        It’s amazing that a teabagger is talking about a house divided. You guys thrive on divisiveness, you’re doing it right now.

        Idiot.

  18. JustAGuy says:

    The author said about half the students in California are Hispanic. Aren’t they Hispanic AMERICANS? Or are a sizable percentage actually illegal aliens?

    This is the United States. English is spoken here. If I choose to move to Mexico, I will make it my business to learn Spanish.

  19. tired_of_you says:

    This is america -If english is not the primary language, then it is time to begin the division. In that way, you and I will both have a choice we don’t have now.
    btw, you can stick your cheers where the sun don’t shine reality boy

    1. Reality says:

      tired_of_you writes: “This is america -If english is not the primary language, then it is time to begin the division. In that way, you and I will both have a choice we don’t have now.”

      No, it isn’t time to start the division. People like you need to be educated…. we do not need to change laws simply because simpletons like you are xenophobic.

      —–

      “btw, you can stick your cheers where the sun don’t shine reality boy”

      Oh… you mean the massive empty space between your ears?

      Cheers!!!!

      1. tired_of_you says:

        “Oh… you mean the massive empty space between your ears?”
        Please, that’s the best you can do? You’re such a wanker!
        You really have no idea of my experiences but there’s no point in telling you-
        don’t imagine you would hear anyway.
        And read a little a little closer Reality – I wasn’t talking about changing the laws- you said that.
        From your threads, looks like you had the day off – too bad you could have used it better than you did. btw -This is my last – I’m really am tired of you (hope you have better luck with those around you)

      2. Bobby says:

        There is no objective meaning to a word like xenophobic. It’s a word leftist psychologists invented sitting around in a psychological laboratory. There are no animals that are xenophobic by nature and neither are there humans that are. Now there are people and animals that prefer certain things and don’t like other things. You are extremely brainwashed and confused and have a collectivist mindset. Excuse me, but the USSR collapsed some time ago.

      3. Reality says:

        Bobby writes: “There is no objective meaning to a word like xenophobic. It’s a word leftist psychologists invented sitting around in a psychological laboratory.”

        Bobby, one of my higher education degrees is in this field, so don’t lecture me on what it means.

        —–

        “There are no animals that are xenophobic by nature and neither are there humans that are. Now there are people and animals that prefer certain things and don’t like other things.”

        Yawn… go bore someone else with your weak attempt at semantics. How’s that GED working out for you?

        —–

        “You are extremely brainwashed and confused and have a collectivist mindset. Excuse me, but the USSR collapsed some time ago.”

        You are a nitwit that naively believes you are far more intelligent than you really are.

        Cheers!

      4. Reality says:

        tired_of_you writes: “Oh… you mean the massive empty space between your ears?”
        Please, that’s the best you can do?”

        Yes, because “stick it where the sun don’t shine” was SO original. Clown.

        —-

        “You’re such a wanker!”

        You’re such a uneducated simpleton.

        ——–

        “You really have no idea of my experiences but there’s no point in telling you-
        don’t imagine you would hear anyway.”

        The way you present yourself speaks volumes.

        ——-

        “This is my last – I’m really am tired of you (hope you have better luck with those around you)”

        Bye… don’t let the door hit you on the way out… oh wait, no let it hit you on the way out.

        Cheers!

      5. Bobby says:

        Come on, admit it. Your’e most likely a Mexican Nationalist at heart, like the principal of the school. You aren’t fooling Americans.

      6. Reality says:

        Bobby Brady writes: “Come on, admit it. Your’e most likely a Mexican Nationalist at heart, like the principal of the school. You aren’t fooling Americans.”

        I could care less what happens with Mexico. I care about protecting the FREEDOMS that brave men and women have shed their blood for so that we as Americans today can enjoy those freedoms. There are plenty of freedoms that I personally don’t agree with, but I will still fight to protect them at all cost. Why? Because that is what America is all about.

        Our society is now filled with a bunch of paranoid people like yourself who are afraid of their own shadows. Why do we as a country feel this insatiable need to throw everyone in jail? We have more people in prison both in aggregate AND per capita of any nation on the entire planet. China has a BILLION more people than we do and yet we still have more people incarcerated.

        Yes, “land of the free” indeed.

        It is blatantly obvious which of the two of us is better educated. Why don’t you try to actually LEARN something instead of continuing to present yourself as an ignorant Neanderthal…. but then again, that lack of listening is likely why you are in that position in the first place.

        Cheers!

  20. roy says:

    “reality” keeps referring to the “melting pot” as he insults others on this board.

    The Merriam-Webster definition of melting pot is a : a place where a variety of races, cultures, or individuals assimilate into a cohesive whole. A common language (i.e. English, by tradition and majority) is a core component of assimilation. We will never be a cohesive whole unless those who are here embrace THIS culture as their own.

    Awaiting the sanctimonious insulting Canadian response.

    1. Marcus Porcius says:

      “Awaiting the sanctimonious insulting Canadian response,” which would be ironic considering that an entire province of Canada, Quebec, has its own official language…French. Seems some Canadians and their language are a little more special than even other Canadians.

      1. Reality says:

        Marcus Porcius: “Awaiting the sanctimonious insulting Canadian response,” which would be ironic considering that an entire province of Canada, Quebec, has its own official language…French. Seems some Canadians and their language are a little more special than even other Canadians.”

        The entire country of Canada has both French and English as national official languages… akin to the United States having no official national language. Canada’s provinces then can have their own “official” provincial language if they so desire… akin to how individual states in the US can do the same.

        Cheers!

      2. StanleyBing says:

        “‘The entire country of Canada has both French and English as national official languages…”

        But it isn’t that simple, is it? What languages MUST all signs outside Quebec being in? What SINGLE language must signs in Quebec be in? What part of Canada is forever making the case their their different language and culture justifies special rights, even to the point of leaving the country? Why WOULDN’T the US want to avoid that? For centuries people have come from around the world to come to the US to become AMERICANS. Those people learned English.

      3. Reality says:

        StanleyBing writes: “But it isn’t that simple, is it?”

        Well, that depends upon perspective.

        —–

        “What languages MUST all signs outside Quebec being in?”

        To the best of my knowledge, they can be in English only. Some places have French and English.

        It has been about 15 years since I’ve been in Quebec. When I was in Victoria, BC a year or so ago, the signs were in English. When I was in Quebec, most of them were in French. Canada, including Quebec, also tends to use more “generic” type of signage than the US without actual words written on many of them.

        ——

        “What SINGLE language must signs in Quebec be in?”

        As I just said, I can’t say for certain as it has been awhile since I’ve been there.

        ——–

        “What part of Canada is forever making the case their their different language and culture justifies special rights, even to the point of leaving the country?”

        Quebec and Canada are much different than the US for the reasons you just mentioned. If losing Quebec wouldn’t “cut” Canada in half due to its geographical location, they likely would have parted ways already.

        —–

        “Why WOULDN’T the US want to avoid that?”

        While the US and Canada are a lot alike in many ways, I don’t think this is really a good analogy. The closest thing that we have to this here might be Native American reservations or if some state such as Utah would want to secede due to religious differences. And even those two items don’t really match up.

        Your argument is that the bilingual system between Quebec and the rest of Canada didn’t work. So we shouldn’t do it. While that is certainly one perspective, another perspective could argue that if there was no national language to begin with, then maybe this fiasco wouldn’t have happened. If they had gone to English only or French only, part of the country would remain infuriated and there would never be harmony. Thus, if we make English the official national language of the US, then one large group of residents here probably won’t be happy campers. So it is a matter of opinion.

        However, now throw in the importance of our individual freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution that differ from Canada and those freedoms are more important than having a single national language just because some people are xenophobic.

        In any event, the Canada/US correlation isn’t a very good one to use in this instance as the circu-mstances are just significantly different.

        ——

        “For centuries people have come from around the world to come to the US to become AMERICANS. Those people learned English.”

        No, they didn’t. SOME people certainly learned English and SOME people only spoke Italian, German, etc. However, the vast majority of those (especially as time progressed) that went on to be successful learned English. Thus, it was in their own best interest to learn the language or languages that were most beneficial to them. The same is true today…

        Cheers!

    2. Reality says:

      roy writes: “reality” keeps referring to the “melting pot” as he insults others on this board.”

      Actually, the people who have their panties all up in a bunch over someone exercising their right to freedom of speech are the ones insulting other Americans by pretending that Americans of one culture (those who speak English) are better than Americans that don’t speak English as a first language.

      —–

      “The Merriam-Webster definition of melting pot is a : a place where a variety of races, cultures, or individuals assimilate into a cohesive whole.”

      We have assimilated into a cohesive whole… that being we call ourselves “Americans.”

      By your ridiculous attempt to spin this, then I guess we should all be Christians, we should all eat the same Italian food, we should all wear the same haircuts, etc, etc, etc. Get a clue.

      —–

      “A common language (i.e. English, by tradition and majority) is a core component of assimilation.”

      That is up to the individual American as to what language they wish to use. Are they better off learning English? Of course they are. Are American students better off learning as many languages as possible? Of course they are.

      —–

      “We will never be a cohesive whole unless those who are here embrace THIS culture as their own.”

      You display levels of single-dimensional thinking. Our CULTURE allows for DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. If the Founding Fathers wanted English only, then they would have explicitly stated it as such. Yet they didn’t insist on English only because they knew we were a melting pot of cultures. Thus, from the beginning of our country, our CULTURE and IDENTITY as a nation has been one that accepts different languages and different cultures into one “cohesive whole.”

      —–

      “Awaiting the sanctimonious insulting Canadian response.”

      I’m an American citizen and have been my entire life and yet that is what you focused in on. Why? Because your subconscious xenophobia runs rampant and you are even afraid of Canadians. LOL… fricken’ hilarious.

      Cheers!

      1. StanleyBing says:

        Thanks “reality”, but we’d rather not have the problems that Canada has with their French/English issues. We could detail those, if you’d like.

      2. Bobby says:

        Multiculturalism has failed in Europe and it has failed here. No one likes it, regardless of culture.

      3. Reality says:

        StanleyBing: “Thanks “reality”, but we’d rather not have the problems that Canada has with their French/English issues.”

        I discussed this in my previous post to you above.

        Cheers!

      4. Reality says:

        Bobby writes: “Multiculturalism has failed in Europe and it has failed here. No one likes it, regardless of culture.”

        I don’t have a problem with multiculturalism as it has enhanced my life by learning from other cultures. But I do agree that most people don’t like it. With that said, there are two options:

        1) Appreciate and respect the various cultures of American citizens.

        2) Choose only one way for everything and disrespect the various cultures of other American citizens.

        Many people in this country would currently choose option #2 and they would set the guidelines as follows:

        — Christianity is the only official religion.

        — White people don’t need to show proof of citizenship, but people of color (particularly Mexicans and Middle Eastern Americans) need to carry their papers everywhere and present them to police immediately upon request.

        — English is the only official language.

        — Gays would not be afforded equal rights.

        — All abortion would be outlawed.

        — The “war on drugs” would be expanded.

        — We have even more people in jail than what we already have as they’d want to over-prosecute everything.

        — Evolution would be replaced in schools with either “Creation Theory” or “Intelligent Design.”

        Etc, etc, etc.

        I’ll gladly take option #1 for myself. 😉

        Cheers!

      5. Bobby says:

        Oh, Reality, you contradicted yourself. On a previous post of mine I wrote that Multiculturalism has failed in Europe, and you agreed that no one likes it, but then on another post you claimed it was wonderfull in Europe. Which one is it? What do you believe again? Could you kndly clear this up for us? Cheers!

      6. Reality says:

        Bobby writes: “Oh, Reality, you contradicted yourself. On a previous post of mine I wrote that Multiculturalism has failed in Europe, and you agreed that no one likes it, but then on another post you claimed it was wonderfull in Europe. Which one is it? What do you believe again? Could you kndly clear this up for us? Cheers!”

        As I stated earlier to you: “You are a nitwit that naively believes you are far more intelligent than you really are.” So thank you for proving my point!!!

        I’m sorry that you are unable to comprehend the obvious. Just because someone might not like something (or more apropos might not be their first preference), doesn’t mean it can’t work. Michael Jordan and the rest of the Bulls didn’t particularly like Dennis Rodman, but they made it work. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams didn’t particularly like each other, but made things work. Most of us have had bosses we don’t like and yet can still do our jobs. Etc, etc, etc.

        You go running all over these boards shouting over and over again: “Multiculturalsim HAS FAILED. IT HAS FAILED IN EUROPE AND IT HAS FAILED HERE.”

        The reason WHY you want so desperately to pretend that it has failed in your mind is because deep down inside you are xenophobic. Well maybe not so deep down in your case. You aren’t even man enough to admit it. You won’t admit it either because your hubris won’t allow you to or because you are too ignorant to realize that you are xenophobic.

        While multiculturalism may not be the first choice for many people (assuming they had a choice), most people in civilized nations can make it work. This is evidenced in the success of these nations. Some of the biggest multicultural nations/groups include the United States, Canada, Australia, the European Union, Switzerland (which is on the Swiss Franc instead of the Euro) and the UK (which uses a the pound instead of the Euro). As of the first of this year, those 6 countries/groups ALL had the value of their currency ranked in the top 13 in the world. So yeah, they’re really struggling! Multiculturalism is ripping them to shreds indeed! LMAO!!!

        With that said, do you want to know the best part of it all? The best part is that in the end, no matter how hard intolerant xenophobes like you fight, I along with the other Patriots on here fighting for equality for all Americans, will still be on the winning side. And do you know why that is? It is because the older, less tolerant generations will die off and the new younger generations who display far more tolerance and education will gain voting clout.

        This is being proven right now with gay marriage. The older intolerant xenophobic generations are in the process of dying off and the younger more tolerant and educated generations are winning the battle. In the not too distant future, gays will be able to actively serve in our military openly along with being allowed to marry legally. So those xenophobes that still exist are just fighting a losing battle. Instead of those people adapting to change and accepting gay marriage (since they will never win the battle), they choose to remain intolerant, hypocritical Americans. Why? Because they are uneducated simpletons stuck in their ways who aren’t open-minded enough to accept change.

        These would be the exact same xenophobic people which had they lived back during the Civil Rights movement, would have insisted that society would collapse if blacks and white shared the same drinking fountains, bathrooms, hotels, restaurants, etc.

        We look back at those xenophobes during the Civil Rights movement and laugh at how ignorant they were. Here’s a newsflash: You are just as ignorant now and are too daft to realize it. In the end, future generations will be laughing at your intolerance as well. So congrats on that. You should be proud.

        Cheers!

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