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CARMICHAEL (CBS13) Members of a Carmichael church that had been targeted by copper thieves for two nights in a row managed to help nab the suspected thieves when the greedy pair returned for a third night.

Just hours after a report by CBS13’s Tony Lopez on the repeated copper theft at the church aired, the alleged suspects returned to the scene of the crime, but this time, church officials were prepared.

WATCH: Tony Lopez’ Original Report

They set up a baby monitor on top of the Carmichael Bible Church at 7100 Fair Oaks Blvd., hooked it up to a monitor and VCR, and took shifts watching it.

Around 4:30 Friday morning, more than six hours into the overnight stakeout, the alleged thieves returned and Pastor Jeff Livingston was watching. He saw the suspects return, alerted other members of the church and called authorities.

Sacramento County Sheriff’s deputies arrived shortly thereafter and arrested the pair, identified Friday as Curtis Darnell, 36, and Howard Sanders, 26.

Detectives are currently trying to determine if the two are responsible for the previous break-ins.

copper thefts UPDATE: Church Uses Baby Monitor To Help Nab Suspected Copper Thieves

Howard Sanders, 26, left, and Curtis Darnell, 36

“Like an adrenaline rush, ‘Hey guys come out here, come out here, they’re there,” Pastor Jeff told CBS13. “I believe that justice is served to the wicked. Sometimes we see that and sometimes we don’t. This time we got to be a part of it happening, so it feels good.”

The church is without heat right now because thieves grabbed copper from the heating and cooling system.

The suspects spent the first night preparing for the costly theft by draining the Freon out of the machines and tore out as much copper as they could carry on the second night.

When the thieves left behind tools, church officials were concerned that they may return for a third night and put their plan into place.

The damage will likely add up to more than $50,000.

Sanders and Darnell were each charged with felony counts of vandalism, grand theft and criminal conspiracy.

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  • LeAnne

    Good job! Glad they got caught–the audacity of stealing in God’s house

  • sassafras

    Some one is buying the stolen copper that has been disappering on a regular basis, why can’t the police put “THEM” out of business, there can’t be to many businesses that purchase stolen “copper”for goodness sake. What a simple way to catch thieves, that gives me an idea how to catch one(not copper tho), thanks again CBS.

  • Terry Horsley

    Just another level of income redistribution from the rich (people who work) to the poor.

  • gna

    I am elated to hear these scoundrels were arrested,
    now I truly hope they have to pay for damages, and
    are held accountable for their crimes, make examples of them .

  • ….

    how is the damage 50,000 ? I dont know where they shop for replacement heating and cooing but 50k is a bit much

    good job on the detective work though

  • The_Truth

    1: its not so easy to catch the guys buying the copper, for the mere fact, can you prove it was stolen or is being recycled from trash cleanup or a DIY project?

    2: A home Heating Colling system may be cheap but one required to run a large building or church can be quite costly, plus i’m sure these nitwits stole copper and such from other items too.

    3: they should change the law where stealing copper becomes a capitol offense and send the thieves to the chair, see how much they steal then.

  • Nice hair

    Let me guess….three days of TWEEKING!! Should have went to bed tweekers!

  • Paul Pierce

    Your ID is The_Truth and you’ve used bullet points in a blog. Now I doubt everything you say.

  • F.L.H.

    Terry Horsley:

    Are you saying that everyone who works is rich? Are you also saying that the church is rich? Far from it! I (a attendee of CBC) would estimate that about 20% are unemployed, and 0% would be considered rich. They sacrifice what they money that do give to the church, but they don’t give up hope even when something like this happens! Sanders and Darnell are the opposite of Robin Hood.

  • Denise

    It’s sad to say, but I doubt that these theives will pay for the damages or even have the resources or potential resources to do so. Nor will they spend any substantial amount of time in prison or jail for their crimes. Curtis Darnell is a career criminal with over 10 arrest records (public information), several of which are felony offenses, a lot of plea deals, and little actual time served. Darnell has proven himself to be a menace to society with little hope of rehabilitation; he needs to be locked up for life. Sanders is just a low life druggie following in Darnell’s footsteps. Sad.

  • The Sage Waitress

    Can you say…Meth?

  • Big Bear

    There are too many of these career criminal losers out there, ruining every life they come across. They have been allowed to propagate because we are a nation run into the ground by lawyers, journalists, shrinks and other paper-shufflers. Let the soldiers run things for a while and the lowlife class will disappear. Few if any will be missed.

  • Big Bear

    Poor is a euphemism for druggie. Most people are in poverty because of drug use. We need a real war on drugs, fought by soldiers.

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  • Eliot

    Paul, you’re kidding, right? What did Truth say that could possibly be a lie? The idea of making copper theft a capitol offense is silly, but the first two points are just common sense.

  • Lockthemup

    Exactly! Good job, church staff!

  • LEL

    Why is it columnists and newsies feel compelled to use such terms as “suspected” and “alleged” in stories like this when the perpetrators are nabbed in the act.

  • Eliot

    I disagree. Most druggies turn t crime to buy their drugs. If drugs weren’t illegal, they wouldn’t cost so much. Also, I would be able to buy Sudafed in order to breathe without worrying that they’ll send me to prison if I accidentally buy 1 gram too much, like 31-year-old Tanna Jarrell, who bought 4 boxes in two weeks, (her husband and her daughter were both sick) and was sent to prison for 20 years. You read that right, 20 years. I personally do not care a whit if some people want to burn their bodies out with dangerous drugs; this stupid war on drugs is costing me my health by preventing me from treating chronic congestion due to allergies, thus triggering my asthma. It’s also putting good people in prison who shouldn’t be there.

  • AtlasObjectivist

    Wow, a couple of real winners there.

  • Fanny Forbes Franklen

    So just what was god’s plan with these 2 degenerates? Please explain.

    http://911essentials.com

  • Coffecan

    Paul, When did a comments section of a news article become a blog?
    Maybe you could point me in the proper direction to educate myself so that I can define a blog, a comments section, and the proper protocol to use when addressing subjects and comments in a blog, a comments section, and just plain e-mailing etiqutette. i.e. typing in all caps equals shouting? etc.
    Your reply would be appreciated. Thank You, Coffeecan

  • annette

    Eliot… you shouldn’t be posting inaccurate info. Tanna Jarrell live alone, and had multiple felony convictions. The laws restricting Sudafed purchases may or may not be good, but using false anecdotes won’t help your case. She was not some “ordinary mom” buying allergy meds for her family.

  • David

    If we would just STERILIZE people as part of their sentence, these problems would go away. It is OBVIOUS from looking at these guys that they wanted money for meth.

  • Andrew Coultre

    I hope “Occupy Sacramento” can get along without them for a few days.

  • Mike

    “Most druggies turn t crime to buy their drugs. If drugs weren’t illegal, they wouldn’t cost so much” from a post above, have you had to buy any drugs from the pharmacy lately? Its probably cheaper on the streets.

  • Joe

    Metal Recyclers need to be policed the same as pawn shops. On my visit to a recycler in Baltimore 99% of the customers were in pick up trucks and most could hardly speak english and were in a big hurry to get in and out (I understand why).

    So I hate to say it because we already have so much regulation in this country, but metal recycling should require a permit. A one time use permit and a frequent use for people bringing the stuff in. They should have to report where the materials come from, and use a legit ID to obtain a permit.

    People caught stealing obviously lose their permit if they have one and can be charged hefty fee for removing without a permit.

    That’s what its going to have to come to even if it won’t stop all theft, it should help reduce.

  • http://ny9solyndra.wordpress.com NY9Solyndra

    How can someone at a recycling plant tell that copper piping has been stolen and not merely salvaged from a construction job?

  • http://ny9solyndra.wordpress.com NY9Solyndra

    “how is the damage 50,000 ?”

    Uh, the thieves probably destroyed walls & ceilings & the AC/heating units themselves when they stole the copper.

  • http://ny9solyndra.wordpress.com NY9Solyndra

    Should have gone to bed, not went.

  • http://ny9solyndra.wordpress.com NY9Solyndra

    An arrest does not constitute a conviction. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

    If the media says the person is guilty and he gets off then the person could sue the media. Plus, the defense attorney would say that having the press determine and announce guilt like that would make it impossible for the defendant to get a fair trial.

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  • eddieb

    They most likely will have to replace the entire condenser unit. Units to cool a large comercial building arent like the ones for your house. Also most likely there were multiple units. It is not like they stoled a few wires.

  • Bill smitten

    Tanna got caught with 20 other people buying sudafed and had two prior felonies. Bad example partner.

  • eddieb

    Give them 20 years! They might get over their drug habits. Then again this in CA where the taxpayers will probably have to furnish them with drugs in prison to be fare.

  • Gary

    LOL

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  • Gary

    The problem is recycled metal is untraceable. There aren’t serial numbers or any identification on it so there isn’t a way to say “That’s my AC”. Most jurisdictions require people recycling metal to shoe id and many copy such, but unless there is some way to prove where the copper came from there isn’t much way to regulate the theft. Maybe copper prices will drop again soon and this won’t be an issue any more.

  • Localboy

    Put a bounty on copper thieves caught in the act. Sorry, I don’t believe these people can be rehabilitated, no point in keeping them in the gene pool.

  • Rick

    Hows this. If it’s brought in by a guy with a shopping cart, it’s STOLEN!!! No job site lets copper leave as junk anymore. If it’s not brought in by a company rep, it’s stolen!!! They take it from the thieves because the know they can pay less for it without questions.

  • Michael Giuliani

    My solution is simple for copper thieves. When they come to your business, or home to steal copper give them lead instead!

  • Randy Bobandy

    Any convict will tell you that it is just as easy if not easier to get drugs while in jail. They need to legalize all drugs and let the junkies take themselves out of the gene pool. Just as with prohibition… you are not going to stop it, just push it underground because of the big money involved in it, and the crime that goes with black market big money. You take one off the street, there are two more to take their place as there is big money involved. They have spent trillions of dollars on this “war on drugs” and have failed and will continue to fail until you take the monetary motivation out of selling them. Legalize all drugs and spend a fraction of the “war” money on education and rehabilitation for those that want it and you will have a far better result. But alas that will never happen because we have a prison for profit system and without all these non-violent drug criminals in the for profit prisons making many people rich…. Follow the money folks, it always leads to the truth behind things.

  • Patrick

    These 2 look like they were taking a break from Occupy Sacramento.

  • blackwater sniper

    we need to start killing all these ass holes on TV and they will stop if not keep on killing

  • Bill

    The frustration with thefts like this is that the junk yards know darn well it is stolen material yet they take it anyway because profit is all that matters…we have been Clintionized as a nation and hence our troubles….

  • dan zarpentine

    all copper thieves should shot dead with lead. they wont do that again

  • JohnF

    Releasing Freon into the atmosphere is a violation of federal environmental regulations carrying a $27,500.00 fine. That should be added to the charges too….

  • John

    Notice the paster said ‘other businesses’. Are most churches businesses now?

  • Scott

    I like how you think.

  • Scott

    Right, because those two rocket scientist look like the type that will be financially successful in life.

    It would be pointless, like suing broke people just because you’re angry. It doesn’t cause them to have money.

  • Doubltap

    Just shoot them dead at the scene. No need to waste groceries on this kind of trash

  • Johnnie Flukie Redding

    Sounds like entrapment to me, someone call Gloria AllMeds and see if she’ll take the case.

  • don

    They’ve illegally released freon into the atmosphere. Last time I checked that was a death penalty offense with the feds. /s

  • robert g

    Put up a sign. FREE LEAD for copper thieves.

  • JOe Dutra

    Meth freaks.

  • AZdude

    Is “Howard Sanders” an alias for Sean Penn?

  • AZdude

    Are most i d i o t s Christians haters?

  • Ralph Gizzip

    True, you can’t get blood from a stone. But Federal charges are much more severe than State charges and can be used to put these two Einsteins in a very nasty place.

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  • Robert Jones

    HARVEST THEIR ORGANS! DONATE THE REST TO RESEARCH AFTER EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT.

  • Aaron

    But save the brass!

  • BigIdea

    Why don’t we pay for copper recycling in something less attractive to street thugs-recycled copper is only good for something like milk, eggs, bread, etc. like food stamps. Or take it only in trade for other metals…trade in copper and you get steel back, if it is a legit metal trade. Something to take the attractive cash out of the situation?

  • chukkalady!

    They look like meth-heads!!! Waterboard them and sink them in the ocean!

  • The Rev. Cab Calloway

    You boys could use some churchin’ up.

  • Publius

    Right on target.

  • fritz von

    Sorry but in California the church people are more guilty that the copper thieves. Felony to eavesdrop w/o a warrant.

  • Jeff Georgia

    A few wires or copper tubes electrified at about 20KV would put an end to this and the perps.

  • TheRealKingMax

    Ummm…

    Chopping off one arm and one leg from each dirtbag would be a fair start.

    Well….. bet they won’t do it again!

  • Deserttrek

    maybe saudi arabia is right, these thugs would each lose a hand for this

  • TheRealKingMax

    Amusement.

  • LaVonte d’Ashawn Jackson IV

    Occupy Carmichael. Losers.

  • gna

    I think they look like peoples fathers who think they look like occupiers……http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?m=1305726114g

  • Carlene Perry Enger

    50k damage! what’s really sad is the copper probably sold for like 100$

  • stargirl

    when did charles manson get out of prison?

  • http://ny9solyndra.wordpress.com NY9Solyndra

    Since when is it a felony to provide security on you own property?

    Have you noticed all those video cameras (many of which have sound) in the stores you visit?

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    Why dint god stop em?

  • Bryan Godwin

    He did.

  • NowListenUp

    The Manson/Jesus looking guy is loaded to the eyeballs. Couple of blooming idiots.

  • big

    why are both of their eyes looking towards the side of their skulls? simply meth heads looking for an easy score to get their fix. nothing political when it comes to junkies.

  • Buzz

    Yup, tweakers. The teeth and eyes tell the story.
    I feel sorry for those stuck on this type of drug…perhaps with some time in jail they will be able to get clean of that nasty stuff.

  • Kemt

    Too bad they couldn’t arrange an “accidental” electrocution.

  • ConservativeRedneck

    :Why dint god stop em?”

    Because he was laughing so hard at their stupidity and getting caught? Ever heard of FREE WILL?

  • Don

    I heard that you are so ugly Jake that your parents had to hang a pork chop around your neck so that the dog would play with you.

  • Libertarian_Thinker

    They will have plenty of tea bagging opportunities in jail. Lm*o

    As for you Jake you’re just a simpleton. Have you ever had an original thought?

  • Jim Spaulding

    They look like Occulosers, the Rabble without a cause.

  • Jawal

    Looters should be shot on site. No mercy. You cannot have an ordered society with the spawn of liberalism running around doing exactly as they please. Look at our ghettos and inner cities and this is exactly what liberals have planned for the rest of the nation. Like Al Sharpton said: ” We will have equality when we have what is inside white folks homes.” Since that is impossible, the middle class is being destroyed on purpose. This trash who has no scruples whatsoever will turn into monsters if a Depression happens. Arm yourselves now….

  • Randy Bobandy

    Yep, tax-free businesses.

  • Randy Bobandy

    How very Christian of you.

  • mike

    all copper thieves should be required to touch a 7200 volt line while barefoot on wet ground.

  • Jim

    It’s hard to become the 1% these days, you can’t help build Stalin’s empire like daddy Koch did, or funnel money to Nazi Germany like grandpa Bush did. Still, stealing from others is pretty much an accurate method for becoming the 1%.

  • al

    Guy on the right looks like a neocon vet. probably was a cop when he got back from iraq and got tossed from the force for brutality. wants to impose his will on free people.

  • KrabApple

    Yeah, because incarceration has proven really effective at getting people off drugs…

  • http://ny9solyndra.wordpress.com NY9Solyndra

    “It is not like they stoled a few wires.”

    “stoled” a few wires?

  • http://ny9solyndra.wordpress.com NY9Solyndra

    At least the wouldn’t be stealing from honest people.

  • gooojooo

    Hay you sound like AOL protected super user room sencurer…. go back to your hole

  • KrabApple

    Sad to see these Tea Partyers so desperate for their meth fix that they’d steal coper from a church.

  • http://ny9solyndra.wordpress.com NY9Solyndra

    “If we would just STERILIZE people as part of their sentence, these problems would go away.”

    Do you really believe these two men will have much opportunity to procreate?

  • gooojooo

    Hay you sound like AOL protected super user room sencurer…. go back to your hole

  • JM

    The one looks like he came from an OWS movement.

  • imnicerthanur

    looks like jude law reswarching a part.

  • Larry Burdge

    KrabApple: I can see by your comments that you can easily relate to the occupiers….and the Columbian tea partiers….

  • Michael Warren

    Apparently for the same reason he didn’t teach you how to properly spell contractions.

  • Larry Burdge

    Ain’t it about time you got yourself ready for church?

  • Larry Burdge

    I hear that Death has a pretty good record of getting prople off of drugs, What you say Einstien KrabApple, You gotta’ solution ?

  • Mr. C

    I doubt making Meth legal is going to solve the problem – more access to meth = more human debris.

  • Carl

    I would say more like a bowel movement.

  • UpChuck.Liberlas

    Just a note here, John McCain sponsored a bill that would ALLOW US Military to be used in the USA to grag those American Citizens that ‘alledgedly’ speak out against the US, to be held indefinately. This is scary. If it wasn’t for liberals we’d have a pretty good country….still.

  • UpChuck.Liberlas

    Voltage ain’t gonna kill you. Now amperage is going to ruin your day.

  • UpChuck.Liberals

    Does it require an effort for you to be this stupid or does it come naturally?

  • UpChuck.Liberals

    This was intended for @KrapApple “Does it require an effort for you to be this stupid or does it come naturally?”

  • Crosseyes

    Old news… Congress gave him a pass so the MSM did too. The foxes are guarding the hen house.

  • Lee

    Oh well. At least they don’t have names like “LaVonte” and “d’Ashawn”.

  • Sick-of-Morons

    Fred, you have the mental development of a seven-year-old at best. Idiot.

  • Miguel

    We are finding a surprising number of these thefts and crimes coming out of the capital city of California. There is importance here, meaning that the impetus foe these crimes is the fact that California’s leftist-led legislature has declared was upon our job creators, murdering our once powerful economy, murdering our people’ hopes and dreams, murdering our children’s futures.

    California has a full three percentage points ABOVE the destroyed unemployment levels of the rest of our nation. My former party has destroyed California.

    I do NOT support these criminals, but I see why we here in CA are more up against personal destruction than the rest of our nation. MSM is TOTALLY DERELICT in the fact that this #% points above national average unemployment is NEVER told.

  • JByrd42

    Good ole trailer trash. Take them out back and beat the meth out them.

  • Karen

    Why are you giving this person stuff to feed horses with? The word you’re grasping to spell is ‘hey’ not ‘hay.’ [God save us from people who CAN read, but obviously don't.]

  • Ken Puck

    With California’s faux justice system, these guys will never serve a day.

  • JM in San Diego CA

    It was a colossal blunder to publicize the method used to detect the thieves. I would have said nothing about the baby monitor.

    Do we dare presume that current and future copper thieves: (a) do not watch the news (b) would fail to look for (and recognize) the camera (c) be deterred by the possibility they’re being watched?

    Yeah, a blunder.

    Yeah, blunder

  • garylee123

    Find the person that is buying the copper and prosecute them to the fullest. No buyer, no problem.

  • SJ

    Glad they caught the greedy fools, did anyone else pickup on the the guy in the video saying “maybe what they did with the camera could help OTHER businesses? To give the impression he views his church as a business? Just kinda stuck me funny.

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    I think that the policies the Christians support such as building codes, minimum wage, the federal reserve all contribute to people getting this desperate. Be responsible for the government you create Christians! And the effects it has on peoples lives.

    http://thingsyourlocalpaperwillnevertellyou.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/christians-need-to-be-resposible-for-their-actions/

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  • Probably You

    Pastors don’t actually earn anything tax free. They pay income tax, social security, etc. just the same as anybody else. Pastors are treated as essentially independent contractors, and are therefore also responsible for the ‘employer’ portion of Social Security, etc. Pastors, on average, earn the least for their level of education of any profession in America. A masters of Divinity is roughly equivalent in cost, duration, and academic rigor to a law degree, without the upside potential in income. The only pastors who would be earning 6 figure incomes are ones who are managing entire teams of pastors at mega-churches that employ 20+ people, and in that case would likely still be making less than a secular person doing a similar job in the private sector. Please find someone else to direct your anger at, instead of the victim of a crime.

  • Keefer Beefer

    It’s not tax free dork – the pastors, etc., get a W-2 and pay income and payroll taxes.

    Try to be factual instead of spewing stupidity.

  • walter12

    In Montana, we do not have too many successful burglaries or armed robberies, because the perps know that they may be shot dead, while in the act. The 2nd Amendment is alive and well in our state.

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    Sorry Probably You but Pastors are a profession that attracts a high proportion pedophiles and psychopaths just like government service. And then they “earn their living” by guilting manipulable people into tithing them their living.

    Pastors in Amerika have given us Adolph Hiltler and FEMAS perverted version of Romans 13 and have destroyed everything that was great about this country in the process. Pastors in today’s Amerika are not worth wiping your feet on.

  • Nancy Robinson-Jackson

    come on people! what the hell is wrong with you right winging tea partiers? don’t you know that these two fine men are entitled to there share of this church’s stuff. where have you been?

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    Lets get the tax thing straight. Many pastors do not pay into the 2% return on investment pyramid scheme called social security and many do. The Amish for God’s sake do not pay into social security. That’s all of them not just the bishops.

    Many of the pastors perks are gotten Income tax free as a perk from the church. Some pastors even get a car tax free this way.

    The question you really need to ask and the point you all miss is the reason for the income tax and who it goes to. Would it surprise you if it were not the government? Watch The Secret of OZ at Youtube if you care to learn the truth.
    The IRS is merely a collection agency for the global elites.

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    In a society based upon government theft and redistribution of wealth you are not far off the mark Nancy.

    People learn this behavior by watching government after all.

    If this is OK for government why is it not OK for the individual?

    After all government gets all of it’s powers from the people so the people must have a right before they can delegate it to the government.

  • Pastor Phil

    I can assure you most of us pastors do not make that kind of money. Most of us barely make it. Also we most certainly pay taxes!

  • Off Yourselves

    Those mugshots are exactly what I picture when I hear “copper thieves.”

  • Lighthope

    Sane out here in Eastern Washington. We’re a Right to Carry state. So the criminals know not only will we shoot them, but in our large rural forest area we have a saying: “There are plenty of places to hide a body!”.

  • Seth R

    Church is VERY much a business….God’s business. Guess you didn’t know that.

  • Thomas

    We actually do not know the full context of the questions proceeding the comment, stop judging others and look inside yourself SJ.

  • yarply

    Bravo. Maybe they should make these people their sheriffs department seeing they evidently had to do the cops job for them.

  • bullrider

    Pastors are not paid ‘tax free’. You have no idea WHAT you are talking about. And they are not paid with YOUR money so it is none of your flipping business.

    How much are we paying illegal aliens with our tax money to come here and live totally for free without working? Why don’t you worry about THAT.

  • bullrider

    It’s the policies of the Muslim in the White House which are driving people to steal copper and everything else. This wasn’t going on before Obama and his ‘stimulus’ saved our economy.

    The rest of your post is ridiculous. “Christians are responsible for building codes…”?

  • At The Rubicon

    I wonder if the EPA will hit the suspects for the standard $25K fine for releasing freon into the atmosphere…

  • bullrider

    I think they should get their jail time (definite and every day served) doubled if they refuse to tell which business has been buying their stolen copper. We need to also crack down on the metal recyclers who ought to know better than to buy stuff from people who have no reason that they ought to be turning in so much.

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    And I think the first cell should be filled by you Big Bear when you pop that Budweiser.

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    I think that micro-chipping everyone would solve this problem Joe. Then our wonderful benevolent government would solve all crimes.

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    Soldiers? You are a useful idiot at the very best.
    The core causes need addressed such as shipping all the business out of the country. Drugs being illegal could be a big factor here. Knee jerk reactions over symptoms of the problem does nothing. This is what our owners want. A house divided. I assure you most of the causes were instituted by government but do not have the time to go into it here or the space.

    If you want to see what soldiers in the streets means:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/stewart-rhodes-crossroads-ndaa-bill-is-pure-treason.html

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    Because believe it or not our holy owners – the police have made mistakes.
    Yea really.

    Have you not read that the NYPD has framed drug users for decades?
    Yes they admitted to it. Framing people is common by cops. They get promoted that way and named cop of the year.

    Want to hear an interesting history on law enforcement in this country?
    You will be surprised…..

    http://antiwar.com/radio/2011/11/22/will-grigg-28/

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    If they are a 501c3 as most are they sure are a business obligated to Caesar.

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    The irony here is that most Christians support the un-godly and non-scriptural drug laws that often come back to bite them. In fact Christians support most of the things that are wrong with this world which is the ultimate irony.

    http://thingsyourlocalpaperwillnevertellyou.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/christians-need-to-be-resposible-for-their-actions/

  • Htos1

    No.Only law abiding citizens are convicted of “social” crimes,thanx 1964!

  • TheRealKingMax

    I agree with you.

    Liberals should be shot on sight.

  • TheRealKingMax

    Since 1915??? Really?

    Go back to the sewer from whence you came, communist.

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    I assume you mean income tax…..

    But do you have a clue as to whom or why you pay incomes taxes?

    Here is another flick for you if you want to learn….

  • roscoe

    Do either of these jokers have an air conditioning licence or the epa recycle card..?..If not they violated the clean air act by discharging the freon into the atmosphere…that’s a long time in the federal can, morons !

  • http://inalienablewrights.wordpress.com inalienablewrights

    “TheRealKingMax

    Since 1915??? Really?

    Go back to the sewer from whence you came, communist.”
    ————————————————
    Communists come from the sewer? I guess you are another bright product of government schools….. I doubt if you could define the term and you only spelled it because you had a spell checker. :-)

  • http://www.theaveragejoenewsblogg.com/2011/12/04/barack-obama-is-taking-a-17-day-vacation-even-as-america-falls-apart-all-around-him/ Barack Obama Is Taking A 17 Day Vacation Even As America Falls Apart All Around Him | TaJnB | TheAverageJoeNewsBlogg

    [...] check out what happened in the Sacramento area recently.  One church was hit by copper thieves three nights in row…. Members of a Carmichael church that had been targeted by copper thieves for two nights in a [...]

  • pdk

    I’m thinking once convicted of these felonys these two will not be able to vote democrate anymore.

  • Artist Patrick

    The end is near. Arm yourself for the arrival of armagedden.

  • Midge Masters

    What a concept .. actually protecting yourself. loved ones and property without relying on the corrupt, degenerate, criminal government. That’s revolutionary.

    http://911essentials.com

  • andymac

    Those Rhodes Scholars look like they’ve had a few too many meth encounters. They’re not desperate for anything other than a hot fix.

  • Renagle

    My my my. Good on this church for using their God given smarts to help themselves and the police to remove these menaces from the streets in their community. One other note, I could never attend Pastor Livingston’s church as I’d have very impure thoughts during his sermons. haha. Just kidding!

  • http://hawaiinewsdaily.com/2011/12/barack-obama-is-taking-a-17-day-vacation-even-as-america-falls-apart-all-around-him/ Barack Obama Is Taking A 17 Day Vacation Even As America Falls Apart All Around Him | Hawai`i News Daily

    [...] check out what happened in the Sacramento area recently.  One church was hit by copper thieves three nights in row…. Members of a Carmichael church that had been targeted by copper thieves for two nights in a [...]

  • John

    “Stuck you funny”. That figures…

  • proudnot2bliberal

    Hey what do you expect these two poor souls to do? They shut down their OWS camp so no free food or lodging. Really what do you expect these two guys do clean themselves up look presentable & get a job? Man you cold hearted rightwing Christians.

    (major sarcasm)

  • W Hop

    The church is a business. There is money managment. But its not the business you are trying to portray. Stop trying to make something of this.

  • W Hop

    WOW, this might be the best post of this article. Horay for the 2nd Amendment.

  • C-IED Guy In Kabul

    Oh, I’m sure they’ll vote…even if it isn’t them casting the ballot.

  • Alfred Hussein Neuman

    Bullrider – I was going to slam the comment too, but I checked out his link first. I-wright’s basic point:

    Christians have created the government we have through their vote, and more importantly – through their silence.

  • http://americanvisionnews.com/504/busted-church-nabs-copper-thieves-in-the-act Busted: Church nabs copper thieves in the act | American Vision News

    [...] Church of Sacramento, CA, set up hidden cameras and kept watch all night. At 4:30 am, the pastor caught the thieves on their third raid, [...]

  • http://howfreeami.com/2011/12/05/barack-obama-is-taking-a-17-day-vacation-even-as-america-falls-apart-all-around-him/ Barack Obama Is Taking A 17 Day Vacation Even As America Falls Apart All Around Him | How Free Am I | Alternative News

    [...] check out what happened in the Sacramento area recently.  One church was hit by copper thieves three nights in row…. Members of a Carmichael church that had been targeted by copper thieves for two nights in a row [...]

  • RLABruce

    The Christian vote has NEVER been a deciding vote; they are always in the minority in voting. The secular vote has always been the one that decides issues and is the reason for the mess we have now. The Christian vote isn’t silent; it is outnumbered.

  • Shan

    I would like penalties to be based in part on how many people the crime committed ripples out to affect. In the case of this crime, the story says that the church is without heat. This affects all the parishioners. I don’t know how many they number, but let’s suppose that it’s 50 per week on average (probably low). Then one year in the hoosegow for each member affected would put them away for 50 years plus whatever else throwing the book would normally net them for felony grand theft. Imagine what the penalty would be for a computer virus that affects thousands. Bet that might make some of the barbarians think twice. In any event, the punishment would fit the crime.

  • URFULOFIT

    Be careful SJ….these fanatics will justify doing anything they WANT to you. Once they declare that YOU are going to hell…they believe their loving god says they should enslave, torture, rape and kill you. they’re “doing god’s work”. A very loving god. It’s a great scam, built upon a hoax. They don’t have to take responsibility and explain themselves like the rest of us.

  • Timerunner

    Only a fool saids there is no God.
    So that you know, One of The Names of the Living God is Jehovah.
    So don’t be a foolish monkey just because you were lied to in a school from hell that told you you came from a monkey, remember there are no monkeys in heaven just as there are no fools.
    Remember one more thing too! There are no Teachers who lied on God or Jesus in Heaven. So don’t be surprised if you don’t see your school teacher, or other so called open minded fools in heavan.
    Come Believe and be Saved. History is as clear as PGT Glass is when its’ clean, who is truely the Living God, The I AM of creation.
    @)!! is the year that should have convinced you to someones’ in control, and it ain’t government.
    Never forget to Remember your Lord :

    American Patriot
    Tea Party Patriot
    Tea Party express
    Oath Keepers
    American for prosperity
    Time to pray

  • American

    SJ:
    Saved by Jesus, on a cross, by his blood has he claimed many for his on.

    Jesus said in his scripture to his mother (Mary) and human father (Joesph) when they came looking for him, the following words:
    Did you NOT Know I must be about doing my fathers business?
    His father is Jehovah the only The Living God. His son Jesus the Christ the Only way to the father is through him. Seek you will find, knock and the door will be open.
    Pray always’ for the peace of Jerusalem, that it will be peace on the earth.

    The masters servant
    PS: Believe and be saved while there is yet time!
    Pray for those who spitefully use and abuse you. Your reward in heaven will be great.

  • http://www.yolohub.com/economy/barack-obama-is-taking-a-17-day-vacation-even-as-america-falls-apart-all-around-him Barack Obama Is Taking A 17 Day Vacation Even As America Falls Apart All Around Him — YOLO (because you only live once)

    [...] check out what happened in the Sacramento area recently.  One church was hit by copper thieves three nights in row…. Members of a Carmichael church that had been targeted by copper thieves for two nights in a [...]

  • http://pastorkevinb.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/monday-links-and-bullets-12-5-11/ Monday Links and Bullets 12.5.11 « pastorkevinb

    [...] –Church catches thieves . . . using a baby monitor! [...]

  • http://tergeist.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/the-economic-collapse-6/ The Economic Collapse | Thus knowledge flows like water

    [...] check out what happened in the Sacramento area recently.  One church was hit by copper thieves three nights in row…. Members of a Carmichael church that had been targeted by copper thieves for two nights in a [...]

  • Disko Troop

    It is amazing how this story about a couple of copper thieves has turned into a rehashing of gripes about Obama and the Tea Party! Some of the people on this comment thread must be absolutely insufferable at dinner parties. That is, if there’s a host foolish enough to invite them. You don’t even see this kind of meaningless back and forth exchange with the Star Wars vs. Star Trek debate.

  • http://ransackedmedia.com/2011/12/05/repeat-copper-thieves-foiled-by-baby-monitor/ Repeat copper thieves foiled by baby monitor | ranSACkedmedia

    [...] office, but didn’t see a thing until about 4:30 a.m. early Friday morning. That’s when they saw two figures come into view, preparing to strike for the third time in almost as many days. One of the watch guards called the [...]

  • Skipdallas

    Gee Don couldn’t you come up with something original and a bit witty? I first heard that old saw when I was in grade school! I am 61 now.

  • http://theintelhub.com/2011/12/05/barack-obama-is-taking-a-17-day-vacation-even-as-america-falls-apart-all-around-him/ Barack Obama Is Taking A 17 Day Vacation Even As America Falls Apart All Around Him :

    [...] check out what happened in the Sacramento area recently.  One church was hit by copper thieves three nights in row…. Members of a Carmichael church that had been targeted by copper thieves for two nights in a [...]

  • El Ronbo

    The biggest thieves wear expensive suits.

  • casie

    Well, when they put enough info out there, you go right ahead and research it. Why no? They put their info out there!? However, the only people I know who know of the info that YOU obtained ARE in fact DRUGgies themselves. Who are you really Denise? Did you gat a bunk sack and decide to go all civilian-like momentarily. Show your true colors, GIRL! Be proud of who you are. DENISE IS A TWEAKER, AND SHE IS P R O U D! … or you could have such an empty life that yopu fill it with the LATEST gossip

  • casie

    FYI, I am the pregnant girlfriend of curtis. Maybe the horomones, maybe the hurt. Whatever it is, I apologize, but I don’t regfret what I said. The fact that you took the extra effort to get really personal and find out his background really bothers me. Careful with your reply Denise, 14 weeks pregnant, fresh off drugs… i DON’T NEED THE ONE reaSON to make me relapse. But I’ll taKE IT.

  • ernie

    What a shame that in this world we have people lazy enough to live on other peoples hard work which they will continue to do even in prison. It just Proves baby monitors are not only for mums and dads but clergy men as well.

  • Ann Gray

    What an ingenious Idea. Will have to forward this to some local Churches in Miami. I know they had plenty of Damage because of stolen Copper wiring.

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