On cargo planes flying over Folsom - how come they don't fly over the other side of the Hwy 50 (where it's not so populated).
City of Folsom fly overs
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I remember when Mather was a AF base and the B52′s were flying in and out of there all the time, every time I visited my inlaws in Eldorado Hills, there were those big planes flying in and out, only thing was in the late 80′s all those houses out there in that part of Folsom were not there and it was open fields, your city allowed bulding in the flight area of that airport and all you people bought homes in that area.
I’m an air traffic controller so i know the generic answer that would apply to basically any airport. The answer begins with the airport’s layout of runways. Aircraft need about 10 miles of a straight in final in direct alignment with the landing runway. Their descent rate is safely structured to be no more that 300 feet per nautical mile so look at a amp of your area and do the calculations.They runway in use traditionally should not have much more that a five knot tailwind. Other nearby airport flight paths and enroute airways can affect the structure of airport arrival and departure routes. No one should pick on people for asking questions on this cause they answers are not that obvious. Also land and housing on final approach and departure paths is cheap for a reason so if you are your parents made a mistake and bought or rented there, then please don’t whine about the noise. Support your airport as it was there first. Admit your error and suck it up or find another home, but always love your airport and the pilots and the controllers! : )
I’m an air traffic controller so i know the generic answer that would apply to basically any airport. The answer begins with the airport’s layout of runways. Aircraft need about 10 miles of a straight in final in direct alignment with the landing runway. Their descent rate is safely structured to be no more that 300 feet per nautical mile so look at a amp of your area and do the calculations.They runway in use traditionally should not have much more that a five knot tailwind. Other nearby airport flight paths and enroute airways can affect the structure of airport arrival and departure routes. No one should pick on people for asking questions on this cause they answers are not that obvious. Also land and housing on final approach and departure paths is cheap for a reason so if you are your parents made a mistake and bought or rented there, then please don’t whine about the noise. Support your airport as it was there first. Admit your error and suck it up or find another home, but always love your airport and the pilots and the controllers! : )
I’m an air traffic controller so i know the generic answer that would apply to basically any airport. The answer begins with the airport’s layout of runways. Aircraft need about 10 miles of a straight in final in direct alignment with the landing runway. Their descent rate is safely structured to be no more that 300 feet per nautical mile so look at a amp of your area and do the calculations.They runway in use traditionally should not have much more that a five knot tailwind. Other nearby airport flight paths and enroute airways can affect the structure of airport arrival and departure routes. No one should pick on people for asking questions on this cause they answers are not that obvious. Also land and housing on final approach and departure paths is cheap for a reason so if you are your parents made a mistake and bought or rented there, then please don’t whine about the noise. Support your airport as it was there first. Admit your error and suck it up or find another home, but always love your airport and the pilots and the controllers! : )
Multiple things to take into account that have already been mentioned, and all of them are true:
1) The orientation of the runway, the pilot needs time to land, and the plane needs space to turn to line up with the runway, there’s a lot of space above us, but when it comes down to nailing a 150-200 mph aircraft onto a limited space, your margin of error gets really really tiny.
2) Even if Folsom suddenly has a massive population boom, the flight paths will more than likely stay the same unless it just as suddenly becomes a hazard to ground. The FAA has to take into account aircraft safety, population safety, and ground safety. Aerojet for example has buried explosives and what-not, don’t want a plane crashing into that, and there’s a lot of dry grasslands out there, that’d be another nightmare created in the event of an accident.
3) The government has other things to worry about :p
Multiple things to take into account that have already been mentioned, and all of them are true:
1) The orientation of the runway, the pilot needs time to land, and the plane needs space to turn to line up with the runway, there’s a lot of space above us, but when it comes down to nailing a 150-200 mph aircraft onto a limited space, your margin of error gets really really tiny.
2) Even if Folsom suddenly has a massive population boom, the flight paths will more than likely stay the same unless it just as suddenly becomes a hazard to ground. The FAA has to take into account aircraft safety, population safety, and ground safety. Aerojet for example has buried explosives and what-not, don’t want a plane crashing into that, and there’s a lot of dry grasslands out there, that’d be another nightmare created in the event of an accident.
3) The government has other things to worry about :p
Multiple things to take into account that have already been mentioned, and all of them are true:
1) The orientation of the runway, the pilot needs time to land, and the plane needs space to turn to line up with the runway, there’s a lot of space above us, but when it comes down to nailing a 150-200 mph aircraft onto a limited space, your margin of error gets really really tiny.
2) Even if Folsom suddenly has a massive population boom, the flight paths will more than likely stay the same unless it just as suddenly becomes a hazard to ground. The FAA has to take into account aircraft safety, population safety, and ground safety. Aerojet for example has buried explosives and what-not, don’t want a plane crashing into that, and there’s a lot of dry grasslands out there, that’d be another nightmare created in the event of an accident.
3) The government has other things to worry about :p
It has to do with runway orientation and approach path.
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It’s due to the fact that Aerojet is on the other side of highway 50. I think Aerojet has something to do with it.
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It’s due to the fact that Aerojet is on the other side of highway 50. I think Aerojet has something to do with it.
If you are interested in airport approaches, then head to
http://www.AirNav.com
and look them up. They are public information and are available on the internet in numerous places. However, the prevailing winds and OTHER traffic are mainly the reasons Air Traffic Control use certain airspace. My guess is the reason planes fly over Folsom is that the area south is reserved for planes going into Oakland and San Francisco. There are a lot more planes there than planes going into Sacramento.
If you are interested in airport approaches, then head to
http://www.AirNav.com
and look them up. They are public information and are available on the internet in numerous places. However, the prevailing winds and OTHER traffic are mainly the reasons Air Traffic Control use certain airspace. My guess is the reason planes fly over Folsom is that the area south is reserved for planes going into Oakland and San Francisco. There are a lot more planes there than planes going into Sacramento.
This makes sense to me. I live in the Pocket area of Sac and I notice a stream of planes constantly travelling east to west just south of me. I always thought Travis maybe, as they seemed somewhat low, but I guess it may be San Fran or Oakland airport traffic as well.
…I once lived directly under the Los Angeles Airport landing path…for 12 years….the planes were noisy, and there were a LOT of them……but not as annoying as the neighbors barking dogs…and….
I’m assuming the people complaining about airport noise would never, ever want to fly anywhere in a plane???
I now live very close to UCD Med Center…I recall people complaining about Life-Flight….but the dogs here are also more annoying..
If it wasn’t planes to complain about…it’d be cell-phone towers or power lines/towers…?.
…I once lived directly under the Los Angeles Airport landing path…for 12 years….the planes were noisy, and there were a LOT of them……but not as annoying as the neighbors barking dogs…and….
I’m assuming the people complaining about airport noise would never, ever want to fly anywhere in a plane???
I now live very close to UCD Med Center…I recall people complaining about Life-Flight….but the dogs here are also more annoying..
If it wasn’t planes to complain about…it’d be cell-phone towers or power lines/towers…?.
Linda asked a simple question and I don’t believe it is necessary to pop your corks and attack her. I live at the south eastern departure path from Mather Field and I enjoy the airplanes and don’t mind the noise but some people do. It is also a valid question to ask “if you don’t like the airplane noise then why did you move here”?
Linda asked a simple question and I don’t believe it is necessary to pop your corks and attack her. I live at the south eastern departure path from Mather Field and I enjoy the airplanes and don’t mind the noise but some people do. It is also a valid question to ask “if you don’t like the airplane noise then why did you move here”?
Linda asked a simple question and I don’t believe it is necessary to pop your corks and attack her. I live at the south eastern departure path from Mather Field and I enjoy the airplanes and don’t mind the noise but some people do. It is also a valid question to ask “if you don’t like the airplane noise then why did you move here”?
Linda asked a simple question and I don’t believe it is necessary to pop your corks and attack her. I live at the south eastern departure path from Mather Field and I enjoy the airplanes and don’t mind the noise but some people do. It is also a valid question to ask “if you don’t like the airplane noise then why did you move here”?
Jesus, it was a simple question. I also live in Folsom and have wondered the same question. Not for any noise reasons, I enjoy seeing the planes. I was just curious as to why they wouldn’t approach on the southern side of 50, when the airport is also on the southern side of 50. Looking at the google satellite image of the runways though, it does make sense to keep the approach at the angle they are approaching, which would have been the best answer to this question without being anonymous keyboard thugs.
I didn’t say I thought it was wrong – Forgive my ignorance but I thought this forum was to ask questions, which I did. To me, it’s a matter of a few miles south. However, to prevent any additional lashings I’ll concede to your machismo smarts.
As others have told you, approach and departure routes are set by the FAA to ensure the safety of those in the planes. They can’t move them just because some people in Folsom don’t like it.
The approach and departures routes are established by the FAA based on prevailing winds, air traffic from other areas, etc. They can’t change them just because some people in Folsom don’t like planes flying over.
Can’t the rules be changed? Maybe they were set when Folsom was not as populated and needs to be reviewed…
I used to live by an airforce base in Novato (we’re talking WAY back when), so I know about the noise all day long – there were even a few sonic booms. Hopefully the all day noise isn’t something planned for the future – the 4-5 am’s are bad enough.
Who do you think set the rules? There are approaches set up, aligned with the runways, inspected to ensure adequate separation with the aircraft and the terrain. Especially with large aircraft, you want to see them stabilized on the approach path and in a stable descent profile. Why do you believe that it is wrong for them to fly over Folsom? Those runways have been in existence for decades. Did you just move to Folsom? The altitude the cargo planes maintain over that town are in excess of 2000 to 3000 feet. Their presence at that altitude should provide minimal impact considering that they would be in a reduced power setting for the approach.
The planes are lined up on an approach. You should have been in Folsom when Mather was an Air Force base, B-52′s and KC-135′s over the town at all hours.
It is due to the airport rules. They want planes to come in and leave a certain way. Most of them usually fly north, unless they are going south, or somebody is stuck on the blacktop or some other issue. The Sac Int airport is a perfect example because if a plane has to fly over sac to get to Phenoix, then it has to follow a flight path in the sky. Going 500 mph is not easy.