Hotel Manager Fighting Back Against Prostitution

SACRAMENTO (CBS13) – With budget cuts forcing law enforcement to scale back patrols, a manager of a South Sacramento hotel is taking more steps to curb prostitution in his neighborhood himself.

Days Inn manager Mike Razavi said sheriff’s deputies have not been able to increase patrols near his Watt Avenue business, and the problem has grown worse as more and more budget cuts have taken effect.

Razavi said prostitution has slowed in the area over the past few years but has become a more noticeable problem in recent months.

“I want them to get the message this is not the place to be,” he said. “If we see the appearance of the Sheriff in this area, that would help a lot.”

In addition to hiring his own security, Razavi has asked for help from the Guardian Angels, a local volunteer group that patrols high-crime areas and acts as a visual deterrent. The group has already located a hidden route prostitutes have used to sneak into his hotel.

One of the group’s members, who gave his name as Rocci, said Razavi is taking a bold stand against crime even at the risk of exposing himself to retribution.

“He’s stepping out where a lot of people don’t want to be,” Rocci said. “He’s taking a big risk.”

Sheriff’s Department spokesperson Detective Jason Ramos said deputies will still patrol the area, but the unit responsible for proactively tackling prostitution has been cut by more than half.

“We’re aware it’s a serious problem and try to do as much as we are able,” Ramos said.

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  1. Reality says:

    This story makes me cringe for numerous reasons:

    1) “Razavi said prostitution has slowed in the area over the past few years but has become a more noticeable problem in recent months.”

    So even though the cops were wasting taxpayer money policing it, prostitution STILL went on. Why? Because we can NEVER, EVER, EVER stop it.

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    2) “I want them to get the message this is not the place to be”

    LMAO… this guy runs a HOTEL!!! That is EXACTLY the place for prostitutes to be since it coincides with their “work.”

    Stop and think about how absurd this is. If a married couple ends up there and has sex, that is fine with the manager. If a guy treats his date to a $1K dinner, jewelry, alcohol, limo, etc and then has sex with her, then that is fine with the hotel manager. But if someone pays a prostitute $100 for a quickie, then the hotel manager has a conniption fit.

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    3) “Razavi has asked for help from the Guardian Angels, a local volunteer group that patrols high-crime areas”

    The fact that our country feels that having consensual sex with another human being is a “crime” is beyond pathetic.

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    4) “Sheriff’s Department spokesperson Detective Jason Ramos said deputies will still patrol the area, but the unit responsible for proactively tackling prostitution has been cut by more than half.”

    The ONLY prostitutes that the Sheriff’s department should be looking for are those that are underage or those that are forced into slavery. They should slash this part of the police budget in half again and STILL they’d be spending too much money on it.

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    5) “We’re aware it’s a serious problem and try to do as much as we are able,” Ramos said.”

    People having consensual sex with other people is a “serious problem?” LOL

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    People need to get off of their religious high horse and use a little bit of common sense with concern to prostitution. It is a complete waste of taxpayer money by keeping this activity illegal.

    Cheers!

    1. jb says:

      the problem isnt consentual sex, its the things that prostitution bring along with it, like a huge amount of people who purchase those services, and are then robbed. they then dont just go about their day, saying ‘well it goes along with the service i just purchased’… they call the cops, costing taxpayers thousands of dollars PER CASE. how about the psycho dudes who like killing prostitutes? they like to do it, then dump their bodies. the police who investigate that, they dont just say ‘well it goes along with prostitution’… they dont even know that the dead bodies found are prostitutes until a lengthy and costly investigation. again, its not the actual sex that causes problems. its the crime that goes along with paid sex. when you take a girl out and spend money on her, you are basically paying for sex, right? even if its your own wife, girlfriend, whatever. yes, you pay for sex. but for people who do it for a living, they are a different breed, and they bring along tons of things that arent all peachy clean with them.

      1. reality says:

        jb writes: “the problem isnt consentual sex”

        Unfortunately that is probably the main reason why it is not legalized… it is because of the Christian right in this country constantly trying to force their “morals” onto the rest of society.

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        “its the things that prostitution bring along with it”

        It definitely has some downsides as mentioned in my second post below.

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        “like a huge amount of people who purchase those services, and are then robbed”

        If it were made legal, these robberies would decline greatly.

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        “they then dont just go about their day, saying ‘well it goes along with the service i just purchased’… they call the cops”

        They can’t really call the cops because then they are admitting to doing something illegal as well… especially for those already involved in other relationships who would be damaged if their significant others found out.

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        “costing taxpayers thousands of dollars PER CASE.”

        I fully agree with this and just another reason to legalize it.

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        “how about the psycho dudes who like killing prostitutes? they like to do it, then dump their bodies. the police who investigate that, they dont just say ‘well it goes along with prostitution’… they dont even know that the dead bodies found are prostitutes until a lengthy and costly investigation.”

        They are psycho indeed. Once again, if this were legalized, the prostitutes would be MUCH safer. In Amsterdam’s Red Light District, each girl has a “secret” hidden button placed on the side of their bed that they can easily reach without looking. If they get in trouble, they push the button and the police come to protect them.

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        “again, its not the actual sex that causes problems.”

        I agree with you… just that the Religious Right doesn’t agree with us in terms of first prioritized “rationale.”

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        “when you take a girl out and spend money on her, you are basically paying for sex, right?”

        Absolutely correct.

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        “even if its your own wife, girlfriend, whatever. yes, you pay for sex.”

        Well articulated!

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        “but for people who do it for a living, they are a different breed, and they bring along tons of things that arent all peachy clean with them.”

        I agree with this as well. However, that is more of the reason to make it legal. It will clean up much of that right off the bat. For instance, in the Nevada Brothels, there has never been a case of HIV transmission… this is because they test the girls. The guys that come in to those brothels go in and are safe from crime and the girls themselves are safer from being attacked (since it is a legit business).

        All in all, I think we pretty much agree, it is just a matter of Americans feeling this insatiable need to criminalize everything. If in the last couple of decades, we had stopped spending money on drugs and prostitution and spent all of those trillions of dollars on education or saved the excess money and invested it, we’d be MUCH better off today as a country. Drugs still exist and prostitution still exists and they’ll still exist a century from now. Making things “legal” can make things better. It is actually easier for a high school kid to get illegal drugs than alcohol…. this is because alcohol is legal with strict regulations placed on stores that sell alcohol in terms on checking ID’s, etc. Just because we make things legal doesn’t mean we have to necessarily endorse them as being “good.” For instance, it is legal to smoke cigarettes, but that isn’t good. It is legal to do various extreme sports, but it doesn’t mean they are all safe. Etc, etc, etc…

        In any event, good post!

        Cheers🙂

  2. Reality says:

    The following is a letter I wrote to some anti-prostitution prude:

    Let me ask you this: How can you justify the ridiculous nature of what is “legal” and what is “illegal?” Let’s compare a woman getting paid by a man to have sex in the privacy of her hotel room with a condom versus a woman getting paid by a man to have sex with multiple partners without condoms that will be released on DVD for the public. The first item is “illegal” as she is deemed a “prostitute,” but the second one is perfectly “legal” as she is an “adult film actress.” Thus, the terms legal and illegal are what’s really BS. If you are able to re-examine your thoughts from scratch with an open mind, you’ll see this to be true. In above example, both the prostitute and the porn star are doing THE EXACT SAME THING, yet one is deemed “legal” and one is deemed “illegal.”

    So what are the police doing? They are running around wasting their resources on this? For what?

    Let’s examine your reasoning:

    1) “It is not a victimless crime.” It’s not? Who’s the victim if a woman chooses to have sex out of her own free will? I realize that some women aren’t doing it out of their own free will and do you know who is at fault for that… the blame there goes to people who somehow trick yourselves into believing that making something “illegal” will make it better. In fact, you are doing the EXACT OPPOSITE. While I’m sure your intentions are noble, your end results are producing the anthesis of your desired goals.

    2) “and they are contributing to the exploitation of women.” They are? Once again if a woman chooses to have sex out of her own free will that is exploiting her? A woman is using her body to produce money to put food on her table. How is that any different from a professional football player from the NFL? After all, he uses his body to make money. In fact, I’d argue that the football player is worse because Mother Nature designed our bodies to have sex, but not to have a 330 pound man running at full speed drill them in the back with a metal helmet. Thank goodness no hypocrisy exists there. It’s the same thing as the way that our society discriminates against women not being able to go topless anywhere a man is allowed to do it. Go to your local beach and I’ll guarantee you that you’ll find some fat male slobs there that have bigger breasts than some small chested women, yet they are still allowed to take off their shirts because of discrimination in our society. I thought that we were “all created equal.” Yet our pathetic sexually repressed society can’t even be equal as something so intricately basic as a shirt.

    3) “It’s hurting the women” Yes, a smart woman selling her body for tax free money to produce positive change in her life (such as paying for her education) is really hurting them.

    4) “It’s hurting the man” It is? Do you know who is hurting the man… yep it is people like yourselves that are turning them into actual “criminals.” So it would be perfectly fine for a man to go to a bar, buy a woman drinks, buy her dinner, take her shopping for a grand total of $300, have a one night stand with her and then dump her, but it isn’t OK for him just to skip all of that and just give her the $300 in cash instead?!?!? That type of “logical” thinking is asinine. It is the EXACT SAME THING. The only difference is that small minded people who can’t think outside of the box just are unable to realize the obvious.

    As an aside, I saw your picture and you are an attractive woman. Perhaps you should ask yourself if you’ve ever used your body to get something from a man. I’ll bet you have at some point in time. As a common example, perhaps you dressed sexy in college with the intent to get free drinks at bar. Isn’t that really just the equivalent of you using your body to attain something of value?

    Maybe you should start going after legitimate masseuses and their clients since people of the opposite sex (or same sex if they are hom-osexual) are paying someone else money for physical pleasure. By your standards, I’ll argue that they should go and have their husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend give them the massage. After all, there is no need to pay money for physical pleasure.

    And what about strippers? They surely don’t use their bodies to make money. By your standards, it is OK for a stripper to give a lap dance to a man and make him eja-cu-late inside of his pants by rubbing her butt on his geni-talia, but not for her to touch his geni-talia with her hand to accomplish the same thing. It is insanity.

    And what about the girls that show up to bachelor parties? Do you police them as well? Do you set up “bachelor party sting operations” to ensure that no future husbands are getting any sexual action before they are to be married?

    Also, what about very unattractive men? Say someone is a burn victim with major deformations. Do you think that person is going to get sex by purchasing a drink for a woman in a bar? I think not. What about a paraplegic? I think not as well. What about a 700 pound man with a thyroid disorder? I think not. And so on and so forth… So am I to assume that our country should deprive these people of ever having sex? God forbid that they would make a mutual business transaction with someone to get laid. What “criminals” they are indeed!

    5) “It hurts their families” First off, not all of them even have families. If the men don’t cheat with a prostitute, then they would do it elsewhere. This is merely diverting the problem. It is like closing down the Golden Gate Bridge in order to stop suicides while pretending that the jumpers won’t simply just go somewhere else to commit suicide.

    6) “It is hurting the community” It is? Two adults having consensual sex in a private motel room is hurting the community? Do you know who is hurting the community… it is people like yourselves who refuse to legalize it and bring in tax revenue while making matters even worse by spending taxpayer dollars to attempt to police an activity that you can NEVER, EVER stop. Instead of wasting this money on an impossible problem to solve, take that money/resources and spend it on EDUCATION for these women or use it to have the cops go out and catch REAL criminals (murderers, rapists, child molesters) etc, etc, etc.

    Is there a dark side to prostitution? Of course there is, but it is because our small minded society won’t simply legalize it. If it were legalized, the following would take place:

    1) The pimps would disappear in vast numbers because there would be no reason for them to exist. Now the ladies are safer.

    2) With the pimps gone, a large portion of the drugs disappear as well.

    3) WIth the pimps gone, a large portion of the violence and dangerous weapons disappear (making it safer for both men and women).

    4) The women get to work in a safe environment with a button to quickly call in security if something goes wrong.

    5) The women pay taxes on their income (benefits society).

    6) The women get health insurance since they can now be legally employed.

    7) The women get regulated by the state to make certain that they are all of legal age (greatly reduces child prostitutes).

    8- The state regulation also helps to greatly reduce the number of children that may be abducted for this purpose.

    9) The state regulation also helps “sex slaves” from being imported into our country.

    10) All prostitutes get drug tested by the state with programs set up for women struggling with addiction.

    11) All prostitutes get tested regularly for STD’s/HIV which reduces the spread of these horrible diseases.

    12) States can regulate the use of condoms and other safe sex activities which protects both the men and women.

    That is just a short sampling of a dozen items with many more items that could be on that list. The cons are virtually non-existent with the exception that prostitution exists, but it can’t ever be stopped regardless so that point is moot. Moreover, the prices actually go down as well (which means less incentive for the pimps and the women to participate in the first place).

    I’ll tell you what… take some government money to fly to Amsterdam to check out how their system works first hand. Go and knock on windows and ask the women there if they are being exploited or not. It is extremely safe, they get treated well, they have security at the push of a button, they pay taxes, they get healthcare, they get mandatory checkups, etc, etc, etc. Or go to Nevada and see how it works at a legalized ranch there. Then come back and tell me that your system is better and I’ll sit here and laugh.

    If you REALLY want to help these women, which I believe you do, then stop making it worse for them and fight FOR them to stop being treated as criminals by your city/state. The mere fact that you treat them like criminals when porn stars, internet dating golddiggers, women at bars, etc all do the same thing is by definition exploitation of these women on your behalf. So stop taking the “standard” ineffective stance and try to make a REAL difference to improve these women’s quality of life in a tangible way by taking a courageous stand and legalizing it in your city as a model for the rest of America.

    Here’s a recent story that appeared on 20/20 where they make the insinuation that many of these internet dating sites for the rich are de facto prostitution. They are prostitution, but those sites are perfectly legal. Thus, what you are doing is unfairly profiling the poor and uneducated women and criminalizing them. The internet savvy, intelligent women who get cars and rides on yachts in exchange for sex go completely unreprimanded. It is akin to the government making penalties for crack (sold in poor communities) far worse than for cocaine (sold in more upscale communities). You are picking on the poor, uneducated women and don’t even realize it.

    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=8364856

    It is cowardice to pretend that you are doing them a favor with policies that CLEARLY do not work, when other models that clearly do make a positive difference have already been proven in the real world. You have two basic options: The first option is continue down your current path naively believing in a logically erroneous plan. This first option will end up with you being 99 years old and prostitution will still exist and these women will still be criminals without rights thanks to your city. The second option is to enact changes that will actually benefit the women so that when you are 99 years old, they can be treated with respect, have health benefits, have a reduction of the spread of HIV/STD’s, have crime reduced, have abuse be reduced, allow the women to have rights that are afforded to them by the Constitution of the United States and be much, much, much safer, happier and better off.

    Peace.

  3. RealityBites says:

    Reality is the Devil. Plan and Simple. You are a pig. I hope you do no have a daughter!

    1. The Way I See It says:

      He does have a daughter – he rents her out by the hour

      1. Reality says:

        The Way I See It writes: “He does have a daughter – he rents her out by the hour”

        The way I see it, your daughter probably says the same things as Eddie’s daughter Vicki in the Vacation series:

        Your daughter: “I’m going steady and I French kiss.”
        Her friends at school: “So what? Everybody does that.”
        Your daughter: “Yeah, but Daddy says I’m the best at it.”

        I’m just amazed that your double-wide gets internet access.

        Cheers!

  4. Reality says:

    RealityBites writes: “Reality is the Devil.”

    Sweet… one of those aforementioned religious zealots is here.

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    “Plan and Simple.”

    LOL…. yes… “Plan” and simple indeed.

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    “You are a pig.”

    VERY Christian of you!!! I’m glad you understood the gist of the Bible. LMAO!

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    “I hope you do no have a daughter!”

    I hope you “do no” have a daughter or a son as to not further deteriorate the human genetic pool.

    Cheers!

  5. Hereticmonk says:

    Don’t make this into a legalize prostitution issue. If it wasn’t prostitution it would be drug dealers. If it wasn’t drug dealers it would be something else. Fact is police aren’t policing anything anymore that isn’t jelly filled. But as we see in other news articles reported this week that citizens get arrested when stepping up and policing their own property. Can’t have it both ways. If the police won’t do it who else can but us?

  6. Jackson says:

    Reality, you forgot to make another point for legalization. The government could then tax the service itself and raise more revenues. Then one day soon, the tax would exceed the price of the service much like the cost & tax of cigerettes.

    Your bigotted left-wing anti-religion reteric is as big a problem here as the right-wing religous zealots. You want a society without morals, where anything goes … and consequenses are decided by whim of the moment feelings instead of by logic and the rule of law … but then that lead to Rome burning now didn’t it. While the zealots want to eliminate and prevent “freedom of choice” … focusing more on religion being about condemnation instead of being about redemption … and each person’s right to decide to participate or not.

    So Reality you are not, you’re just the opposite of end of the extreme … two small minority groups of the idiots trying to decide what’s best for the majority.

    1. Reality says:

      Jackson writes: “Reality, you forgot to make another point for legalization. The government could then tax the service itself and raise more revenues. Then one day soon, the tax would exceed the price of the service much like the cost & tax of cigerettes.”

      I mention taxation somewhat in my second post here. But yes, that is correct. However, if the tax exceeded the price of the service, a new artificial black market would be created. After all, there is no physical product for the provider to produce like cigarettes.

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      “Your bigotted left-wing anti-religion reteric is as big a problem here as the right-wing religous zealots. You want a society without morals, where anything goes”

      Studies have been done in terms of religious beliefs and IQ. Atheists had the highest IQ’s, followed by agnostics, followed by people who have medium religious beliefs, followed by the devout hardcore believers coming in dead last. Thus, the more you believe, the lower your IQ. Therefore, God created his believers as the least intelligent segment of society. Classic!

      And do you know which demographic of society believes in God the most? Yep, that’s right… grade school children… you know… the same ones that believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Boogeyman and the Tooth Fairy. What a shocker.

      The so called Bible Belt also boasts the highest rate of teen pregnancy BY FAR in the country while the ultra liberal NorthEast has the lowest. Do you know why this is? It is because religious nuts enforce teaching “abstinence” instead of “birth control.” And despite it not CLEARLY not working, they keep doing it anyway because they are delusional.

      Atheists/Agnostics have lower rates of divorce than Jews, Christians and even the Mormons. Those religions are sure strengthening the bonds of “holy” matrimony indeed.

      So without religion, the world would be more intelligent, less delusional, have lower rates of teen pregnancy, have lower rates of divorce and we’d have fewer wars. Thank goodness for religion!!!!

      So no, we don’t need religion to give us morals. Morality is an issue that varies as it is a matter of opinion.

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      “So Reality you are not, you’re just the opposite of end of the extreme … two small minority groups of the idiots trying to decide what’s best for the majority.”

      Actually, I went to faith based schools for 12 years. I’ve lived both sides of the equation.

      Let me ask:

      Is God omniscient and omnipotent? I’m going to assume you will say yes.

      Did God have a hand in authoring the Bible? I’m going to assume you will say yes again.

      Thus, now let me inform you that the Bible is RIDDLED with error after error after error and false prophecy after false prophecy.

      As a tiny sampling, it contradicts itself starting in THE VERY FIRST TWO CHAPTERS of Genesis when the order of creation is mixed up to having only 2 of the 4 Gospel writers bothering to talk about the birth of Jesus (and those two accounts conflict with each other so badly that their timelines actually make it IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to even have been born based on their accounts) to 3 of the 4 Gospel writers not agreeing on what the final words of Jesus were. If I saw the Son of God die right in front me, I think I’d remember his last words verbatim…. wouldn’t you? I think you would.

      Moreover, Jesus had 4 brothers and at least 2 sisters. Isn’t it is pretty interesting that Jesus’ brothers didn’t follow him around everywhere… I know that if my brother were the Son of God, I’d always be at his side every second of the day. Yet apparently, they didn’t deem it to be of uber importance. If your brother was the Son of God, wouldn’t you follow him everywhere? I think you would.

      Those items are just the tip of the iceberg.

      With that said, logic dictates that one of two things has to be true:

      1) God is an idiot who couldn’t remember the order of creation, Jesus’ birthdate, Jesus’ final words, etc.

      2) God is not an idiot and therefore didn’t write the Bible.

      I’ll let you decide which you want to believe.

      If you believe God is intelligent, then you’d realize that he could have never written the Bible because it is riddled with errors. In fact, it is a slap in the face of God’s intelligence to even think he could have written something that I wouldn’t have even received a “C” in my English class on because it has so many errors in it. This isn’t to say that there isn’t a Supreme Being (as one cannot disprove a negative), just that it isn’t the one from the Bible.

      How many times have you attended a Mormon Temple? What about a Muslim Mosque? What about a Hindu Temple? What about a Jewish Synagogue? How can anyone possibly know for certain that you’ve found the “right” religion while not experiencing the others that millions upon millions of others find to be their salvation? If you haven’t, then you are the person that sits there and insists that Pepsi tastes better than Coke, but you have only tried the Pepsi and never the Coke. Yet, you will be steadfast in your belief that Pepsi is better despite having no conclusive first hand experience to prove otherwise. Thus, the ENTIRE argument is invalid.

      When you come to the realization that if you were born in Iran that you would have the EXACT same zeal for Muhammad and Allah that you do for Jesus and God, then that will be a big awakening for you. If you were born in India, you’d have the same zeal for Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma that have for Jesus/God. If you were born in Tibet, you would have the same zeal for Buddha that you have for Jesus/God. So what does that say about the book Christians worship (when they wouldn’t have worshiped it based solely on geographic location of birth and religion of their parents)?

      To deny it is to deny the truth. After all, the Truth Shall Set You Free…

      Cheers!

  7. Jefferson says:

    One point the article fails to consider is that everytime the economy turns downward, the number of women who turn to prosititution for revenue increases. And when the economy improves, the number of women preforming that service will decrease.

  8. Reality says:

    Hereticmonk writes: “Don’t make this into a legalize prostitution issue.”

    I’m making this into a “Let’s solve a problem and stop wasting taxpayer money” issue.

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    “If it wasn’t prostitution it would be drug dealers.”

    Legalize drugs too. If people choose to waste their lives away on drugs, that is their issue. We should spend more money educating people and less money trying to bust drug dealers which simply creates an artificial black market making drug dealers that aren’t arrested wealthy. It’s not like the drugs are hard to find now… you can go to virtually any high school in the country and fairly easily score hard drugs. Policing them is a joke.

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    “Fact is police aren’t policing anything anymore that isn’t jelly filled.”

    I respectfully beg to differ. We have more people in jail BOTH in aggregate and per capita of any nation on the entire planet! China has a BILLION more people than we do and have fewer people in jail. Stop and think about that for a minute. It’s absolutely mind-boggling. “Land of the Free” indeed.

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    “If the police won’t do it who else can but us?”

    We elect the people who make the laws. Thus, we police ourselves by proxy. We need to have fewer aggregate items policed (e.g. don’t worry about prostitution, jaywalking, etc) and have the police focus more on a smaller number of more serious crimes (e.g. murder, rape, child abuse, etc).

    Cheers!

  9. oldfart says:

    pass out 12 step literature to the girls & take photo’s of the john’s play the shame game.

    1. Reality says:

      oldfart writes: “take photo’s of the john’s play the shame game.”

      The shame game? They should be ashamed for having sex? Having safe sex is a healthy activity for humans.

      Cheers!

  10. Wayne says:

    REALITY- I agree with your POV on this issue but damn you have way too much free time on your hands. Are you writing a novel? LOL

    1. Reality says:

      Wayne writes: “REALITY- I agree with your POV on this issue”

      Thanks for speaking up.

      “but damn you have way too much free time on your hands. Are you writing a novel? LOL”

      LOL… I’m a very fast typer and some of the items I’ve already written elsewhere and can simply cut and paste. Thus, I’ve streamlined the process. 😉

      Have a good weekend!

      Cheers!

  11. Jackson says:

    Reality, you are so lost in trying to prove your point … that you continue to prove mine … your are as extreme and bigotted to the left … as you claim the religious are extreme to the right.

    Your so called statistics on intelligence and marriage are rubbish of the left.

    Your claim that the athiests and agnostics are better seem to once again forget the crimes against society and the world committed by the Communists and Socialists of the former USSR. And let’s not forget Castro and Chavez or the leaders of the former Berma as more recent examples of the results of an anti-religious society.

    The truth is that those who abuse power the most … those who commit the worst and greated crimes … are those who hide behind a belief system … be that a specific religion or the complete rejection of religion.

    It’s not what they believe that creates the problems, it’s how they exercise that belief system for their own personal gain and power.

    So open your eye, and take off your blinders and realize the world is a much bigger place than you see. Stop trying to force your personal belief system on the world. Your words ring hollow and that of a madman.

    Instead, lead a life that is an example to others, trying to beat people over the head with your beliefs again makes you the same evil you claim to want to stop.

  12. Reality says:

    Jackson writes: “Reality, you are so lost in trying to prove your point … that you continue to prove mine … your are as extreme and bigotted to the left”

    I’m actually a registered Republican. Nice try “proving” your point.

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    ” … as you claim the religious are extreme to the right.”

    I fully support the Constitutional rights of religious citizens despite my disagreeing with it. I support the Constitutional freedoms we are afforded first and foremost and not some fictional 2K year old book. That’s the difference.

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    “Your so called statistics on intelligence and marriage are rubbish of the left.”

    LOL…. you don’t even know what they are!!!! Classic!

    You are sitting here lecturing me about being extreme and yet you are discounting stats that you don’t know about as “rubbish of the left!” HAHAHA!!!!! That is beyond hilarious!

    Sorry if you can’t accept the fact that religious people tend to have lower IQ’s.

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    “Your claim that the athiests and agnostics are better seem to once again forget the crimes against society and the world committed by the Communists and Socialists of the former USSR. And let’s not forget Castro and Chavez or the leaders of the former Berma as more recent examples of the results of an anti-religious society.”

    LOL… what I was presenting was an AVERAGE. There are exceptions to averages. Just because someone in baseball is batting .400 doesn’t mean he doesn’t have 0 for 4 games along the way.

    Moreover, the reason why those societies were different wasn’t because of religion, but rather because of political ideology… those people were dictators. Comparing a dictatorship to a republic is like comparing apples to oranges.

    But if we want to play this game, I can do it too. Watch how easy this will be… Let’s look at the country of Vatican City. That country has a 100% religious rate. There’s the Inquisition, scandals, corruption, Mafia ties, blatant child rape and cover ups, etc, etc, etc.

    ——–

    “The truth is that those who abuse power the most … those who commit the worst and greated crimes … are those who hide behind a belief system … be that a specific religion or the complete rejection of religion.”

    LOL… so basically you are saying that those who commit the worst crimes are either followers of religion or are not followers of religion… wow…that really narrows it down.

    Watch, I can do that too: The people who commit the worst crimes are those that love their families or those that completely reject their families. Wow… that is powerful info indeed.

    ——-

    “It’s not what they believe that creates the problems, it’s how they exercise that belief system for their own personal gain and power.”

    It is more that certain people who abuse power do so by controlling weaker lemmings. We see this still in our own elected politicians who claim to be all pious to their voting constituents and then start scrambling to save their own necks once their scandal of the day gets made public.

    ——–

    “So open your eye, and take off your blinders and realize the world is a much bigger place than you see.”

    I’ve been to 49 states, every province in Canada and to 6 continents. How many places have you been to? I think I’m well aware of the size of the world and the various cultures since I’ve experienced them first hand. Perhaps it is you who should take off the blinders.
    ——–

    “Stop trying to force your personal belief system on the world.”

    I’m not forcing anything. This is a free country, I am an American citizen and I have the right to express my speech.

    ——-

    “Your words ring hollow and that of a madman.”

    LOL… you have trouble spelling, are sticking up for a 2K year old fictional book written by uneducated men and yet I am the madman. Cool!

    ——-

    “Instead, lead a life that is an example to others”

    I do. I am attempting to help brainwashed religious people see that it is OK to live without religious fear, guilt and superstition. I wasted far too much of my life believing in that nonsense after being indoctrinated as a child. I am now MUCH happier without it.

    ——–

    “trying to beat people over the head with your beliefs again makes you the same evil you claim to want to stop.”

    Notice how I’ve addressed all of your points one by one. Notice how you “conveniently” ignored the countless points I made above. But don’t worry, I see religious people do this ALL the time. I’ve debated with countless theologians and have seen many of them do the same as well. People who are brainwashed either choose to “ignore” or “justify” items like those all the time. Educated people on the other hand CHALLENGE their mental schemas constantly.

    Questioning yourself is a sign of immense strength and fortitude. Compare that to people who choose to “hide” and continue to believe their current belief schema just because that is what they have always done, regardless if it makes logical sense or not.

    People should constantly challenge themselves and should be reading viewpoints opposite of their own as that is the path to enlightenment.

    Looking at other religions and keeping an open mind about your current religion by challenging your current belief schema will do one of the following:

    1) Either make you realize that there is a better option for you than your current religion or belief system.

    2) Strengthen your current beliefs by realizing that you’ve ruled out some other options.

    It is truly a win-win situation, yet hardly anyone “really” does this wholeheartedly.

    If you did challenge your belief schema and looked at basic logic, then you’d realize that God didn’t write the Bible. The Bible is based on fiction from texts written by uneducated men thousands of years ago who would have believed the Earth to be flat. The facts are that a 5th grader today knows more about the world that we live in than did the uneducated people who wrote these texts. It is ironic that you would NEVER let a 5th grader dictate the course of your life, but when it comes to religion, then it all of the sudden “magically” becomes OK to do so. It is absolutely mind-boggling.

    So by all means, if people want 5th graders and fiction to rule their lives, then more power to them. I’ll instead choose to allow logic, reason, common sense and reality to determine the course of my life. But hey, I am apparently the “madman.” LOL

    Cheers!

    1. Mush Mouth says:

      Let us all know when you finally complete the 5th grade then … you keep proving Jackson’s point about being a bully who wants to force his belief system on everyone else. You apparently opened your mind up so much at one point that all of your brains fell out.

      1. Reality says:

        Mush Mouth writes: “Let us all know when you finally complete the 5th grade then”

        LOL… I did that a long time ago before I accomplished multiple college degrees. You probably took 5th grade twice though, so you’ve got me on that front.

        ———-

        “… you keep proving Jackson’s point about being a bully who wants to force his belief system on everyone else. ”

        No people like yourself and Jackson keep proving my point by not being able to adequately rebut the points that I am making and instead desperately attempt to divert the issue by making 5th grade “put down” attempts.

        Instead of confronting “reality” (double entendre), you instead choose to remain in a world of delusion of your own creation. Seriously… congrats on letting 5th graders rule your life. That’s something to be proud of indeed. Do you run around at work and tell people that the Tooth Fairy is real too?

        ———

        “You apparently opened your mind up so much at one point that all of your brains fell out.”

        LMAO…. yes, VERY Christian of you indeed! It is always hilarious when the non-Christians have to teach the actual Christians about their OWN religion. This just goes to illustrate their total lack of understanding of what they supposedly believe in.

        Classic!

        Cheers!

  13. The Blogger says:

    Hmmmm… Interesting, I didn’t realize Watt Ave was in South Sacramento.

    I don’t know how the readers are going to take this, but the “World’s Oldest Profession” needs to be taxed, regulated & controlled. Just like in the outskirts of Nevada.

    What do you think?

    http://www.sacramento-blog-uncut.blogspot.com

  14. PIG says:

    I NEED A JOB AS A PROZZYTUTE
    ITS HARD OUT HERE FOR A PIMP
    LMAO
    http://ethicalfutures.wordpress.com

  15. still kicking says:

    Prostitution is legal in virtual every country in the world. The US is the ONLY English speaking country where so many people get in a tizzy about it. The media and bible bangers like to portray the women as druggies, abused and enslaved while their customers are perverts and low lifes. The reality is quite different.

    Most women in the business are there for the money which in many cases, especially other countries, can be substantially more that they could ever make elsewhere. The majority of the men are there for not just sexual release but for companionship that they are not finding, including often from their own wives. Look at the high profile cases like Eliot Spitzer. Do you really think the guy was pumping away for an entire afternoon or that he enjoyed being around sleaze as opposed to his highly educated wife?

    Most women have a very good idea why their husbands stray and it scares the wits out them. Relationships are two way and it takes both sides to make things work. Far too many women get lazy once they have the keys to the bank vault. Frigid is now a non PC word but that doesn’t make it disappear.

    As to the men who are vocal in their condemnation of prostitution, I suspect it is their own fears of inadequacy, both physical and emotional, that are really speaking. Dumping on a working woman who can financially provide for herself is a nice way to assert their traditional male dominance and control over “their women”. There really isn’t much difference between them and your bearded Islamic fanatics from Afghanistan or Pakistan demanding that women cover themselves and walk behind them with the donkeys.

    One last point to infuriate the true believers: what exactly is the difference between a woman who goes on a date and expects the man to pay for everything and then MAYBE gives something in return as opposed to the woman who goes on a date and expects the man to pay for everything and then guarantees something in return? And spare me the BS that “nice” women on a date are providing something with their mere presence and conversation. Get real.

    1. Reality says:

      Still Kicking: That was an OUTSTANDING post. Kudos!

      Cheers!

      1. RealitySucks says:

        Then move… This country was found on JedoChristain beliefs wether you like it or not. Also, who says you get the draw the line on morals. As for you not beleiving in the bible. So if you are right then I just lived my life cleaner and better for society then you did. If I am right, you will burn in hell for ever. I think I will error on the side of believing.

      2. Reality says:

        RealitySucks writes: “Then move… This country was found on JedoChristain beliefs wether you like it or not.”

        First off, yes, you must think that “reality sucks” which is why you choose to live in a world of uneducated delusion. So at least we agree on that front.

        Secondly, unlike you I don’t run away from issues and hide away in my 2K year old book written by imbeciles by today’s standards. Instead I confront issues.

        Lastly, this country was NOT founded on JedoChristian beliefs. In fact, what exactly is “JedoChrisitan”…. is that part Jedi Religion and part Christianity? LMAO!!!

        You are SO abundantly ignorant that you try to use a “big” word and have no idea whatsoever of what it even means nor how to spell it. It is “Judeo-Christian” you knob. The “Judeo” part refers to Judaism. And since it isn’t even a given that you know what Judaism is (since it is likely another “big” word for you), it refers to the religion of the Jews.

        Now what will you do? Instead of actually LEARNING something from me, you’ll continue to be ignorant and follow something that you don’t even know about as evidenced here. It is hilarious. Talk about the epitome of being uneducated.

        But back to the topic, do you know who Congressman Ellison is from Minnesota? Several years ago, he got sworn into office with a Qur’an. Do you know where they got the Qur’an from? It was owned by the great Thomas Jefferson himself because the Founding Fathers believed in religious freedom. They’d be appalled by xenophobic simpletons like yourself who think there is one single religion that this country was founded upon (or in your case one religion that is the combination of George Lucas and Jesus).

        Thomas Jefferson was one of the most brilliant men to ever set foot on this planet. He was a polymath (I know, another “big” word for you). He owned a Qur’an because he was EDUCATED and believed in religious freedom. He and many other of the Founding Fathers were Deists.

        Do you know why we have separation of Church and State? It stems from a letter written by Jefferson himself.

        As for this ridiculous notion that we were founded to be a Christian (or a Jedi-Christian country, despite Star Wars not premiering until 2 centuries later LOL), that can be proven to be false via the Constitution itself.

        The Constitution of the United States SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS the linking of an individual’s ability to publicly serve with their religious affiliation. In fact, to quote Section 6 of the Constitution: “The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but NO RELIGIOUS TEST SHALL EVER BE REQUIRED as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

        In fact, here is the actual handwriting of that fact:
        http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_zoom_1.html

        If the Founding Fathers had really wanted this to be a Christian country, then that verbiage CLEARLY wouldn’t have been included. Moreover, they didn’t make Christianity (nor the Jedi) the official religion of the United States. If they wanted this to be a Christian country, then surely they would have done that.

        Back in the late 1700’s, the fact that the Framers went out of their way to ensure that there WAS NOT a national religion was extremely radical by the standards of the time. They did so specifically because they DID NOT WANT a national religion like England had.

        In fact, in our ENTIRE Constitution, it NEVER mentions the words “God,” “Jesus,” “Christian,” “Bible,” etc. That’s pretty odd for people who wanted this country to be Christian as you erroneously and ignorantly claim. Moreover, the only time it mentions the concept of religion whatsoever is in EXCLUSIONARY terms such as the item referenced above. They did NOT want religion involved nitwit.

        Moreover, in 1797, the United States signed the Treaty of Tripoli. John Adams was the President at the time. John Adams along with Thomas Jefferson were two of the most influential and important Founding Fathers (and perhaps THE most important). In this treaty that Adams submitted to Congress and signed, it states explicitly, “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

        So once again, you are completely UNEDUCATED and BRAINWASHED by your 2K year old book and the people in your church. You have NO IDEA of what you are talking about. Congrats on that.

        I could go on and on, but it likely won’t matter to someone as daft as you who can’t grasp the obvious. You have no idea about your own religion nor about the foundations of your own country, yet you pretend that you do. That my friend is delusion. Delusion is a mental illness as defined by the DSM IV. Congrats on that.

        ——–

        “Also, who says you get the draw the line on morals.

        OMG…. the ingorance continues. What part of this snippet that I already stated above are you not able to comprehend? “So no, we don’t need religion to give us morals. Morality is an issue that varies as it is a matter of opinion.”

        Try reading some philosophy and perhaps you’ll better understand the concept of morals.

        ——-

        “As for you not beleiving in the bible.”

        That’s not even a sentence.

        But since you believe in the Bible, have you sold EVERYTHING you own? After all, Jesus COMMANDS you to do it in order to get into Heaven.

        Here’s what Jesus specifically says in both Luke and Mark:

        *-*-*-*-*-*

        As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

        “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”

        “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

        Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, SELL EVERYTHING YOU HAVE and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

        … The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

        The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”

        Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”

        Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!”

        “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”

        *-*-*-*-*-*

        Christians love to “justify” the Bible into allowing them to do as they see fit. If they want to discriminate against gays, the Bible can justify it. In fact, the Bible can justify ANYTHING from slavery to killing children.

        Jesus explicitly says to sell EVERYTHING… but hey, why listen to what Jesus has to say? After all, he is only your supposed Savior.

        I’ve got a word for you: H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

        ——-

        “So if you are right then I just lived my life cleaner and better for society then you did. If I am right, you will burn in hell for ever. I think I will error on the side of believing.”

        Do you even know what that concept is called? Of course not. It is called Pascal’s Wager.

        For you to be right, then the majority of the world is not getting into Heaven because the majority of the world is not Christian. Funny how God didn’t mind when the Egyptians were worshipping Amun-Ra nor when the Greeks were worshipping Zeus. So I guess that child that grows up in the jungle in South America with no access to the outside world (and thus never hears about Christianity) gets scre-wed over by God. It makes no logical sense.

        You rely on others to think for you instead of challenging your own brain to come up with answers for YOURSELF. God gave you an amazing brain to think with, not to let others think for you. Dogs let their masters think for them, humans should not.

        Maybe when the day comes at the Pearly Gates, Jesus will ask you why you didn’t use the complex brain he gifted you with to think for yourself. Maybe Jesus will ask you why you couldn’t recognize that the Bible was filled with errors and was clearly written by men. Maybe Jesus will ask you why you thought God didn’t have superior intelligence (which is what you must believe if you think God had a hand in writing the Bible). Maybe Jesus will ask why you didn’t sell everything you own despite you being aware of him saying that the last will be first (as I have just made you well aware of). Then what? How are you going to justify it then?

        And what will I say in that situation? I’ll tell him that he gave me a brain to think with and not to be some mindless lemming following a two thousand year old book that someone of God’s intelligence wouldn’t have written. How are you going to explain to God why you thought he was an imbecile who wrote the nonsense contained in the Bible?

        As previously stated, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to have even been born according to the timelines presented in the Bible because they conflict themselves by more than a decade. These people had absolutely NO IDEA of what they were talking about while they were writing their fictional stories that you so naively believe 2K years later. Are you going to tell God that you thought he was so stupid that he couldn’t remember when Jesus was born? LOL… I’m sure that will go over well for you.

        I think God will appreciate my honesty and my attempts to not just be another lemming following someone else (a pastor, a priest, a pope, a minister, etc) off of the cliff. He will know my true intentions and I am not worried about that in the slightest. I am in search of the truth and if that leads me to honest questioning and a schema outside the mainstream, I would expect a highly intellectual God (not the bumbling tools that wrote the Bible) to respect my personal intellectual quest to get to know him.

        You expect God to respect you for believing in him just because you are “covering all your bases” and because by believing in him you have nothing to lose? Seriously, how daft are you?

        I on the other hand try to be a good person for the sake of being a good person. If I get a reward in the afterlife, then that is a bonus. My concept is unselfish while yours is selfish. Too bad you can’t see past your delusional religious facade to see the obvious.

        Cheers!

    2. Reality says:

      Notice how the person posting as “Still Kicking” is educated. Notice how he/she can put together a cohesive argument. Notice how he/she uses complete sentences and paragraphs. Notice how he/she can spell. Notice how he/she produces independent thought. Etc, etc, etc.

      Now compare that to the blockheads in the majority of the other postings on here. They are a laughing stock and an embarrassment to the American education system.

      The difference is night and day.

      Cheers!

  16. Uncle Bob says:

    Reality …. you are a left wing commie who is just as dangerous as the right wing religious fanatics … you’re just too arogant to admit it. Jackson has torn you apart and clearly shown your bias and hypocricy … yet you keep showing his point of your position is correct by conitinuing to try and force your point of view on everyone else. I also noticed you are tagging Jackson as a Bible believing Bible thumper … yet he/she never makes any claim of a religious belief nor religious position … he/she only attacks the radical forced nature of yours.
    So f-off and take a hike @$$hole.

    1. Reality says:

      Uncle Bob writes: “Reality …. you are a left wing commie”

      What part of “I’m actually a registered Republican” can you not comprehend nitwit?

      ———–

      “… you’re just too arogant to admit it.”

      You’re just to daft to understand logic. Moreover, it is “arrogant” not “arogant.”

      ———

      “Jackson has torn you apart and clearly shown your bias and hypocricy”

      LMAO!!!! Obviously. BTW… it is “hypocrisy” not “hypocricy.” You “is” smart indeed!

      ——–

      “… yet you keep showing his point of your position is correct by conitinuing to try and force your point of view on everyone else.”

      You sure sound a lot like someone else on here. LOL!!!

      ——-

      “I also noticed you are tagging Jackson as a Bible believing Bible thumper … yet he/she never makes any claim of a religious belief nor religious position”

      Apparently you can’t read between the lines.

      ——-

      “… he/she only attacks the radical forced nature of yours.”

      Ah yes, I’m “radical” for not believing in an antiquated 2K year old book written by uneducated men. What could I be thinking?

      ——

      “So f-off and take a hike @$$hole.”

      Oooooh! You sure are a tough guy on the Internet aren’t you? How am I ever going to sleep at night knowing that you are out there? LOL

      Here’s a homework assignment for you: Do yourself a favor by looking into a mirror and reading the following out loud over and over and over again until it finally sinks in:

      I AM WE TODD DID. I AM SOFA KING WE TODD DID.

      Good luck with it tool!

      Cheers!

  17. Reality says:

    Hey Uncle Bob: ,i,,

    1. Reality says:

      “Reality….Hey Uncle Bob: ,i,,”

      HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That wasn’t even me. This is the result of some clown on here trying to have a conversation with himself because he knows he is outclassed having a conversation with anyone who can count higher than 10.

      I am myself and keep the same moniker, yet other people feel they need to post under multiple names to try and attack me. It’s hilarious. Fricken’ cowards!

      But hey, I don’t blame you for wanting to be me. If I were in your shoes, I’d want to be me too.

      Thanks for the laugh!

      Cheers!

  18. True colors... says:

    Wow. “Reality” apparently thinks he needs to increase his input here by arguing with himself. Not only has he launched attacks against people of religious belief, but now he using degrading terms about those with mental disabilities to attack apparently himself. For one who keeps arguing for a postion about being more open minded and less bigoted, the clear indicator is that he himself is the one who has closed his mind and now let’s his bigotry and hatred for others come out. Go ahead and resopond “Reality”, continue to show the world your true hate-filled nature.

  19. Reality says:

    True colors… “Wow. “Reality” apparently thinks he needs to increase his input here by arguing with himself.”

    I’m not arguing with myself, I am REBUTTING other people’s arguments.

    ———-

    “Not only has he launched attacks against people of religious belief”

    It’s not my fault that studies have shown that the more someone believes in religion, the lower their IQ. It’s not my fault Jesus says to sell EVERYTHING you own. It’s not my fault that Pascal’s Wager is juvenile. It’s not my fault that people don’t even understand the foundations of the country that they are fortunate enough to live in. I’m just reporting the facts. Notice how NO ONE can answer the questions I pose. Do you know why they can’t? It is because they know their beliefs are illogical. I’ve seen it before a million times and it is no different here.

    ———-

    “but now he using degrading terms about those with mental disabilities to attack apparently himself.”

    I was attacking Bob, not myself. Based on some of the people here, it wouldn’t shock me if one has an IQ below 70.

    ———-

    “For one who keeps arguing for a postion about being more open minded and less bigoted, the clear indicator is that he himself is the one who has closed his mind and now let’s his bigotry and hatred for others come out.”

    My own parents are devout Catholics. My one brother is a hard core born again Christian. I have friends that are Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Shintos, Buddhists, etc.

    I don’t care what someone believes in as it doesn’t directly correspond to myself. However, the person holding those fallacious beliefs is detrimental only to themselves. It is their loss, not mine. I know because I’ve lived both sides myself.

    ———-

    “Go ahead and resopond “Reality”, continue to show the world your true hate-filled nature.”

    Awfully judgmental of you, don’t you think? What does the Bible say about judging again? Well, it contradicts itself there just like it contradicts itself over and over again.

    You are just yet ANOTHER person on here who can’t answer my questions and instead attempt to divert the topic by “blaming” or “attacking” me personally. Cool.

    I’ve taken MY TIME to answer other people’s questions and to give them food for thought and instead of them LEARNING something, they just ignore reality (literally) and choose their familiar world of delusion instead.

    Cheers!

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